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Reply Captain Obvious says: August 18, 2019 at 7:45 pm The biggest issue the american system has, is that there are few to none alternatives to colleges. Nurses, accountants and others need a college degree in the U.S. while in many other countries that isn't the case. Here in germany we got a dual education system where you pick a company or hospital. They take you on as an apprentice and you get only about a third of the entrance level pay for usually three years. During that time you learn on site and part time visit a specialized school to learn the theoretical parts of your craft. In the end you finish with a standardized test so you are a journeyman with comparable skills to other of your job. After that you enter the job market with a decent education. This includes jobs like nurses, kindergarden teachers, accountants, car mechanics, paralegals and more. Reply MountainMan23 says: August 18, 2019 at 7:45 pm Teaching is the lowest priority at most universities. Senior faculty are typically involved in research ($$$) and teaching graduate courses so undergrad teaching is relegated to low paid instructors or grad students with no job security and who may have no teaching experience. It's a racket. Reply Michele Givens says: August 18, 2019 at 7:51 pm Nearly every nation with either free or highly subsidized college has extremely high admission requirements to even get in. While our upper tiers are highly selective, almost anyone can get into some form or higher education. So maybe that's not a bad thing. We let people try, even if they are not as likely to succeed. Just something to think about Reply Veronica Vasquez says: August 18, 2019 at 8:00 pm Aren't there audits that take care of this? They can lose accreditation. Reply Lynn Carlberg says: August 18, 2019 at 8:00 pm YouTube is selling commercial space to the Epoch Times, a propaganda organization. They're advertising before your video. Reply Edward Siegel says: August 18, 2019 at 8:04 pm HS dropout, Conservatory dropout, Community College grad (5yrs), Med School grad, Residency grad, Fellowship grad, Asst Prof, Assoc Prof.You drop out because you're bored, you're studying the wrong, and you don't know what you want. But previous performance does not guarantee future results.That is a vitally important consideration in any investment, but it goes both ways, If you're an autodidact the institutions provide you with the needed documentation to get on with life. If you are not, you are likely on the wrong path and inviting frustration. Reply Cam Sylvester says: August 18, 2019 at 8:04 pm This has been a problem for decades. One of the solutions: Gap Years. Student success rates for youth who take a year off to figure out who they are on a structured Gap Year, have a university completion rate in the 90s: and this is causal, not correlational. Check out data at the Gap Year Association https://www.gapyearassociation.org/data-benefits.php and if you want to do a Gap Year volunteering, one program to check out would be Lattitude Global Volunteering, a non-profit lattitudecanada.org. Reply hi hi says: August 18, 2019 at 8:09 pm I feel like this guy is just saying that college is too hard for some people? He is attributing drop outs to gen ed courses like algebra and kids not being able to find the help they need despite paying a university to learn. He didn't attribute it to not being able to pay tuition or anything like that. But, if there was this type of individualized, USEFUL help available to every student, the cost of school would be even more outrageous than it is now. Plus, from my experience, many colleges advertise that they have great math help centers, writing centers, career help, resume help, etc. but when you go and actually try to use those resources, they are either overbooked or don't have the expertise you are looking for. The problems here are that 1)colleges act like businesses and 2) college is NOT for everyone and there is no other option for social mobility. There need to be options for people who don't thrive in a classroom. Those people are still brilliant and valuable. They just isn't another path to prosperity. Reply freedom1234573 says: August 18, 2019 at 8:17 pm America works hard to ensure the average American gets no where! #thanktgesubsidizedelite Reply BL4CK KN1G8T says: August 18, 2019 at 8:20 pm College ain't for everyone, and graduating from college ain't a given. Not everyone is cut out for it, not everyone has the intelligence, work ethic or just general ability to perform under pressure to graduate. If everyone could get a degree it would make them pointless. I minority students are twice as likely to drop out, this is likely down to Affirmative Action, giving people access to college when they don't have the ability to pass the courses. Reply freedom1234573 says: August 18, 2019 at 8:22 pm Same with hospitals/healthcare when u add profit in these fields everyone loses except Administration Reply Roberta Laidman says: August 18, 2019 at 8:23 pm Algebra is superfluous? OMG! I was an anthropology major and art minor. At 32 I had to teach myself algebra! You can't tell in advance what you're going to need. Reply LV R10 says: August 18, 2019 at 8:33 pm Easy, college sucks because it’s become a business like everything else in this country. The schools only cares about letting students in to get more government money. My college packed and over accepted students. Absolute joke. The experience was horrible. Glad I left. They didn’t care about the teachers, student housing, or the food. You’d think that when the government pays so much money the basic elements would be covered. But the schools profit from letting in too many people and having them drop out. Reply Rico Vargas says: August 18, 2019 at 8:34 pm Completely disagree with this framing. Dropouts are on the student. Reply Mike Perkins says: August 18, 2019 at 8:53 pm Trump emboldens fraud. Reply C Kirk says: August 18, 2019 at 9:03 pm Before we blame the colleges and start shouting for heads to roll, why don't we talk about the root cause of the problem. High school graduates are simply not prepared for college. The schools don't teach for college prep, they're required to teach to arbitrary standardized tests in order to continue receiving funding. Since 1980 the Republicans have been openly dismantling our public education system, beginning with constant funding cuts accompanied by unwarranted criticisms and even misleading rhetoric to create a sense of dissatisfaction with public education in general. Now they're openly calling for disbanding the Department of Education entirely, and the Secretary of Education wants to privatize the whole school system. That's the reason but the result is kids who are ignorant, barely literate, and who've had all the curiosity squelched out of them. I know of what I speak; for over 13 years I tutored kids in all aspects of reading and the language arts – grammar, spelling, writing, vocabulary; the basic things college assumes every entering freshman mastered a decade before. I tutored kids from K-12, and to my shock discovered the high school kids' handwriting, spelling, and even syntax was closer to that of a first or second grader than a high school student. They can't put a coherent sentence together, much less get the grammar, punctuation, and spelling correct. They spell words phonetically, much like an elementary school child does. Even their handwriting, if you can call it that, looks like a child who's just learning to write. Yes, we have keyboards and Spellcheck and Grammerly and all kinds of technology, and maybe that was enough to get the secondary schools to pass them through the grade levels, but it's not enough for a college level English Comp class. In college you actually have to have something to say, you have to be able to form a thought and develop that idea into a coherent theory/story/response, and get that thought down on paper in coherent form. These kids can read, mechanics-wise, but few have actually mastered the concept of comprehension. None can read critically, pick up on a theme, or identify the important message or information. The most discouraging thing is, I was working with the students who went to "good" schools, whose parents could afford to pay for one-on-one help or small private study groups and workshops I put on. There was only one exception in all that time, and it was a little boy in second grade who attended a private school. No, I'm NOT advocating for privatizing the school system but to put the money into it necessary to bring us out of our near-last place in education among the developed nations. I had 2 little students who attended private schools, both of whom had learning disabilities and whose parents wanted some extra help for them. In the second grade, both were a full 2 grade levels ahead of my public school students in the same grade, in terms of ability, knowledge, skills, and proficiency. Their schools had smaller class sizes and were more demanding in the areas of homework and accountability than the public schools are able to be without the funding they need to provide an equal education to every American child. And that, in a nutshell, is both the problem and the solution. If high school students are actually educated and prepared for college, you'll see the college dropout rate drop dramatically. Reply Rzmmdx l33tuber says: August 18, 2019 at 9:04 pm Go get a degree, make less money than a youtuber. Totally makes sense. Reply Averil Williams says: August 18, 2019 at 9:09 pm This is the first segment that you’ll have done that I totally disagree with. Take a good look at the students who fail and ask them how much of their time was spent partying and socializing as compared to studying then do a report. University is hard; it’s laborious. Which means if you don’t put in the time you won’t pass. It’s that simple. Students have it so easy with the internet and computers. In university in 1990 all we had was word processors and pile high amount of books to go through. These kids are spoiled and expect the world to take care of them! Stop making excuses! Reply ANNA MAE Devlin says: August 18, 2019 at 9:10 pm The goal of the, 1%, is "KEEP US STUPID"! Reply John Chavez says: August 18, 2019 at 9:13 pm I'm not sure if it's the original intent, but I view algebra as an exercise in extended math based metaphor exploration. It's not good enough to simply say that x = 27, it's not good enough to take an auto mechanic's word for it that a job is necessary and will cost $1,500, and it's not good enough that a medical approach be accepted no questions asked. A rational step-by-step justification must be presented, and algebra is one of the school courses that conditions a person towards seeking out that justification. Reply Alex Arviso says: August 18, 2019 at 9:22 pm So much Blame shifting on the comments. Good job boot lickers. Reply Pitbulls are Great Babysitters says: August 18, 2019 at 9:28 pm Harvard is 25% heebrewz because of ethnic nepotism Reply Pamela Homeyer says: August 18, 2019 at 9:33 pm Some of the state colleges have a rule that they are to fail one third of all freshmen the first year Reply Adrienne Olson says: August 18, 2019 at 9:33 pm I was formally advised to drop out, as "funding issues" would make my courses uncredited and un transferable. I dropped out, as did many others. The school kept its funding and all its credits. Reply It's OK To Be White says: August 18, 2019 at 9:35 pm Before Trump colleges graduated 100% of their students. Reply Dante Brown says: August 18, 2019 at 9:36 pm I remember before I dropped out of community college my Juvenile Justice teacher told us one day that the dropout rates were crazy and that only half the students pass the math classes and her answer was to just keep taking the classes and keep trying no matter how many times you fail but it's like bitch this shit ain't free and I can't keep getting grants or taking out loans. I now owe over a thousand dollars and I been ducking them collectors for around 6 years now. Reply Kevin Tewey says: August 18, 2019 at 9:45 pm Completely disagree about what he says about the real progressive Democrat ( not plural )maybe he is referring to the others If you know more sir I hope you wrote a book we will give it to Bernie Sanders He is the only one that will read it or listen to someone that did Better idea become his education secretary Reply Alfonso says: August 18, 2019 at 9:48 pm Learning disabilities that hinder your ability to do math classes like algebra I flunked an Algebra 2 class & was not able to go onto statistics until AB 705 went into legislation Reply Phoenix Sky says: August 18, 2019 at 9:53 pm You need algebra for building and shopping. Reply Christopher Conkright says: August 18, 2019 at 10:01 pm I work for a community college and we work hard to retain students a lot of the issues are resources. I do agree a change in education would help. Streamlining degrees helps some. All of our funding is based on retention in our state but even that gets less and less more kids come in that need remedial classes making a two year degree a three year degree at full time. A lot of kids don’t know the basics and that sucks for them. We need a total change in education from pre-K to college. Reply Felichia Ritter says: August 18, 2019 at 10:08 pm Not enough focus by state universities on their student drop out rates. Financial Incentives to Graduate would reward students who need financial aid, particularly Juniors & Seniors that maintain High Grade Point Averages. Reply Christopher Ebsch says: August 18, 2019 at 10:22 pm The only disagreement I have is that it's basically impossible to understand statistics without first knowing algebra so you can never actually drop the algebra requirement. Reply Margaret Nicol says: August 18, 2019 at 10:26 pm I've been an employer for many years and I have to say that many of the kids who apply for jobs can hardly put a sentence together on paper. I've seen some job application forms that a 6 year old could do a better job of. The system is failing these kids right from their first day in school. If the teachers are not teaching then they should be fired. Good teachers are a godsend and should be rewarded for the brilliant job they do. Pay them properly and get rid of the ones that are letting the kids down. Reply Ashley Steel says: August 18, 2019 at 10:31 pm Is there a possibility that takin away the financial burden of college may actually increase graduation rates? I imagine at least some substantial percentage drop out for financial or related reasons. So, it would be good to look at that. I would be interested if his booked covered that.. he mentioned statistics, but what other parameters did they compare against drop out rates? Like cost of the school? Cost of living in the area of the school? Etc? Maybe we should go in depth and poll those students and find out what the motivating factors were for them… but I have to assume that cost to go and costs associated with being in school were related for many of them. Reply Captain Anarchy says: August 18, 2019 at 10:34 pm Anyone thats read the Daniel Quinn series "Ishmael" to "Beyond Civilization" may have also smirked when the guy said "colleges aren't doing their job". I think the series breaks it down beautifully that schools do exactly what we as a society intend them to do which is delay entry into the workforce and to ensure they dont replace Us when they graduate. Reply Myst Man says: August 18, 2019 at 10:38 pm I agree with the comments that say that college isn't for everybody. BUT the problem is that almost all the well-paying jobs demand a college degree (this also needs to change).Now, "not being cut out for college" doesn't automatically mean you are "not cut out for these well-paying jobs". It's just that the college system itself is VERY inefficient at teaching people on an individual level, meaning they should teach a person only the things they need to know instead of throwing way too many courses of which half of them they will never need and/or will forget about. The curriculum is too damn broad. You can ace the courses you need to excel at the job you want, but still flunk out of college because of other courses you never wanted/needed. Now if colleges would only teach you specific courses that the student requests for specific job, your time in college would be shorter and thus cheaper for everybody and should still hand out a college-level diploma, not some low-level certificate. Reply AnotherButt 4chair says: August 18, 2019 at 11:06 pm My personal experience was that my major was just overwhelming and people who didn’t cope dropped out. Reply Ralph Colerick says: August 18, 2019 at 11:09 pm Go to the armed forces in our country. you CAN get a life skill at no charge getting paid at the same time Reply Stuart M. says: August 18, 2019 at 11:29 pm Bill Gates some time ago identified high college failing rates for minority students as a problem and supported a program to target these students through closer monitoring. I think it was in Georgia. Reply b3arodactyl says: August 18, 2019 at 11:30 pm So what is the actual solution though like what would Bernie or Warren do to fix this issue? (clearly the department of education should care about it) Reply Shinji Kataoka says: August 18, 2019 at 11:40 pm Robert Kiyosaki (the author of the book titled "Rich Dad, Poor Dad")and people like him stated over and over again that Universities and schools don't help you become successful in careers. Reply Gian Ishino says: August 18, 2019 at 11:41 pm This entire segment didn't really talk about the causes and possible solutions. Accountability, in my opinion, is a fake solution that can apply to any problem. However, it is not specific, and if you write a whole book about it, I kind of expect a little more. Reply saintsfearful says: August 18, 2019 at 11:45 pm High dropout rates in high demand universities are win win for them; they get to keep tuition money while keeping the degree pool from getting diluted. Many public universities try to emulate the Ivy League "prestige" and if too many people get degrees from that school it will seem less "exclusive", which means the outrageous tuition rates would be more difficult to justify. There's also a toxic tribalist alumni culture around colleges where having a "tough" curriculum props up the egos of wealthy (often older) alumni with little interest in the success of current students. It's the whole "I did it, so if you can't pass then you suck and I'm great." mentality. This kind of thinking often bogs down us improving the way we teach people, which is why tech enhanced classic long lecture style teaching is the primary way we do things. Reply A3Kr0n says: August 18, 2019 at 11:51 pm WTF? We NEED collage dropouts to deliver our pizzas. Reply Dan Engle says: August 18, 2019 at 11:55 pm College is overrated. I'm pushing my son to be an electrician. I have a great education but have been poor most of my life. I want better for my son. The trades is where it's at……Learn people Learn. The trades is where the jobs are. Reply Spring4030 Zxqa6519 says: August 18, 2019 at 11:56 pm Maybe if they taught you how money, banks works and politics effects there daily bases. Then maybe they would understand how use this knowledge to better their everyday life. That type of education would make it difficult for the government to betray us and put us in more debt before even had our first job.Students could start dreaming about starting their own business, or learn why food, cloths and shelter should be a priority in their life instead of partying. Reply Michael Schwentner says: August 19, 2019 at 12:38 am I had to take calculus twice because of a D for a human physiology degree Reply Hidden River Arts says: August 19, 2019 at 12:43 am One thing that isn't being discussed here is the impact that faculty labor exploitation has on the drop out rates of students. Over 75% of all university educators are now working on low-wage one-semester contracts, earning an average of $27K a year — gross salary – with no benefits, no healthcare, no job security. Without full-time scholars on all campuses, our students don't have any real hope of being mentored, being supported, being encouraged to stay in school. Hidden River Arts is one of the producers of a documentary called 'Junct: The Trashing of Higher Ed. in America which talks about the many problems caused by the corporate colonization of our academic culture. See www.junctrebellion.com for information because this is a really, really important problem in the United States. Reply Justin Norton says: August 19, 2019 at 12:45 am Wow, that is really something to think about. When it's time for my kids start looking into college, the drop out rate will definitely be something we'll be looking into. Thank guys. Reply Blue Macaw says: August 19, 2019 at 12:52 am 1) College, books, labs & fees are too expensive!2) People typically drop out of college due to financial reasons. They can't miss work to go to school; they need a 2nd job for bills; they can't get transportation to attend college;and/or paying for daycare (to attend college) is too expensive!! Reply donald tucker says: August 19, 2019 at 1:01 am I grew herb in Alabama for 18 yrs. so I could send my 4kids to UAB . It worked but now we are still all in debt Reply jack n'off x says: August 19, 2019 at 1:11 am The reason why Republicans want expensive college tuition is because they get kickbacks..from those who can afford it…and they figure if people are uneducated most likely they'll vote red..simple as that Reply rustydog0329 says: August 19, 2019 at 1:18 am Maybe these are people that didn’t belong in college in the first place? Reply elsa Grace says: August 19, 2019 at 1:30 am 30% of Americans don’t get a degree. What about trade schools. Why are they not encouraged? Reply Peter Matthews says: August 19, 2019 at 1:45 am How many Americans consider getting a higher education outside the US? Depending in the exchange rate of international currency their money might go a lot further in other countries. We keep hearing stories of all these people going overseas for medical care, the same principle could apply to getting an education. Reply R Just says: August 19, 2019 at 1:46 am As a person in their 40's. Have you seen a syllabus? The Professors are subjective in grading. In community colleges, the integration of core curriculum style of higher learning Is an exhaustive process for young freshmen, and older people with jobs, or young children. Reply carver3419 says: August 19, 2019 at 1:53 am What horse shit! College is supposed to be challenging. The professor's remarks about algebra is a plea for ignorance. Reply Leo Volont says: August 19, 2019 at 1:54 am Algebra is the core of all the higher maths. This guy is talking about institutionalizing math illiteracy. Yeah, that's how we can make education better. Thumb Down! Reply James Jones says: August 19, 2019 at 2:06 am And you still have to pay the loan back, The School Has your Money! And don't care. Reply Julius Robinson says: August 19, 2019 at 2:25 am I remember taking this one class where the instructor lectured & it didn't match the chapter. He assigned homework from the book & there was no guidance at all about how to do it. Only 2 people passed but only because they had failed it the previous semester. Reply Kelly Kerr says: August 19, 2019 at 2:32 am Since I was a child, watching the Vietnam War on television I want way more money spent on education and less on stupid wars. Nothing has changed. The only chance we have is to elect Bernie in 2020. Or Warren, would love to see them run together. Reply Jae Lynn says: August 19, 2019 at 2:37 am It's the crappy high schools who don't teach kids how to study and write. No one helped me through college! Reply BlackBullRising says: August 19, 2019 at 2:49 am The reason no one says or does anything to intervene is because they pay to be there. As long as the money is flowing nothing else matters. Reply Richard Jones says: August 19, 2019 at 2:51 am So much for closed captions Reply Big Tuna says: August 19, 2019 at 2:58 am I stopped listening when he said people never use algebra. Reply skildude says: August 19, 2019 at 3:05 am This a testimony to our elementary education institutions. k-12 is now a hold your hand system that students that aren't self-reliant in note taking and study habits tend to fail. I've seen both students that had not clue how to take notes in both junior college and standard 4 year colleges. Then there are the students that just dont care and only showed up to college because that was what they were supposed to do.The fact that colleges have a 40% dropout rates doesn't matter to colleges. They bring in ample student that by the time the student gets through their basics in year 2 most student that are going to leave are gone. Junior and Seniors seemed to have less educational dropouts and more of life happening and the students can't complete their schooling. Rinse and repeat the cycle. Also colleges are constantly adding in courses for degrees for the only reason to generate more money for the school instead of educating students. Quite honestly, I got zip out of socialogy, art and music appreciation and all the other pointless "elective" classes to just get a degree. This doesn't encourage students it discourages them. Why take pointless courses if you want your students to have an education. Give them the education they need and quit wasting their time filling up class rooms for essentially garbage courses. This policy reduces the number of students that can attend a school because unnecessary courses are being taught for degrees that just don't require the additional course work. Reply S Dees says: August 19, 2019 at 3:16 am I grew up on college campuses in the US. My mom was a professor. She has remarked that the ONLY reward for making sure your students learn is more students. Raises are given SOLELY if you spend your time writing articles. I went to the university my mom taught at. There were profs who did NOTHING other than drone on in class using the same notes that he wrote when he first taught the class 5-15 years earlier. Our book would change, but the prof's notes would not. Those profs (and there were a TON of these on campus) got raises and trips BECAUSE they spent time on research or writing textbooks. Professors who invested in students, who had projects that required you to learn the material, who spent time with students who wanted help, etc… got more classes to teach and FAR less time to do research. The system is designed for professors to do things that glorify the university (publishing articles, writing books, etc…) rather than spending time nurturing students. I got more nurturing than most students, at least during my last 2 years of school, but it wasn't because of anything I did at the time. It was because most of my professors were former babysitting clients or dog/cat sitting clients from when I was in junior high/high school. The ones with the endowed chairs and other forms of university glory told me what they thought of teaching undergrads. Many thought that any day they had to SPEAK to an undergrad was going the wrong way. IF they had to actually teach, they would have fits if their students were not at least in the Master's program. THIS is what is wrong with universities. And of COURSE there are individuals and occasions that did not hold true to this. It is still the general rule of thumb in universities in the USA. Reply Trumpenstein says: August 19, 2019 at 3:18 am Students ARE the priority at major universities. Well, student athletes anyway. Reply Silence DoGood says: August 19, 2019 at 3:30 am College is a waste of time and money! All they are is indoctrination centers!!! Reply Stagehand Jay says: August 19, 2019 at 3:43 am The last school I attended had 5 campuses. 238 students at 1 campus filed a class action law suit and won. Then the FBI starts investigating them for misappropriation of funds. Then then school filed bankruptcy and shut down every campus location. The DOE still holds me responsible for fraudulent student loans. Reply Brennen Cox says: August 19, 2019 at 3:50 am Higher education isnt part of "the system" imo… public education, k-12 is 'the system.' Reply Edward Cote says: August 19, 2019 at 4:00 am We must also admit that not everyone needs to go to college and have some respect for trade school. And really, we need to revamp the whole damn thing, from preschool to college. It's just that our whole system was designed to train people like livestock for highly regimented factory work, then we took the same mindset of drudgery into the cubicle farms. Short of a complete overhaul, we could at least rewrite the curricula. Algebra is a great example. Why are students learning that and not basic statistics? I agree that STEM requirements for liberal arts majors are necessary but we do it all wrong. Cramming them into lab science classes on specific subjects designed for people who actually want to be there is not fair to either group of students. There should be a separate class specifically designed to teach the things that everybody needs to know about science in general- what it is and what it isn't. If the point is to teach scientific literacy then teach scientific literacy. Imagine that. And maybe part of that class can be to spend a week or so looking at each of the major programs at that university to see if maybe they are interested. Reply 白月賢美 says: August 19, 2019 at 4:12 am I really felt this cause I had to stop going to college cause fafsa fucked me over. It made me feel dumb to see all my friends graduating "on time" and even going on to graduate school, while I was left behind. I really don't do well in school the way it's set up now though, so I probably wouldn't have made it even if I did have the money. Reply Nathan Scott Shoemaker says: August 19, 2019 at 4:24 am College is a scam to promote austerity and perpetuate cynical ablest elitism Reply Ryan Fisher says: August 19, 2019 at 4:26 am Commodification of education baby 🙃 Reply James Horn says: August 19, 2019 at 4:38 am You lost me at why teach basic math algebra. I went to high school in a rural area and my school was academically the second or third worst in the county, but I took algebra in 7th grade. If that is his beef, the issue is that the high schools are not doing their jobs in preparing the students. I think we have, over the dedades, responded to demands to increasing high school graduation rates by dumbing down the high school curriculum. If you want to talk about accountability, the student has to bear some of that. Do not do the work, do not get the grade. When I taugh, I considered that a good grade was my assurance that the student had a good grasp of the subject. The solution has got to be increasing graduation rates wiithout making any reduction in quality. The gap between an Ivy League BA and a community BA is so immense, I question whether they should share the same name (I went Ivy for undergraduate, state univesity for graduate, and taught at a local school which had just moved up from junior college to four year school about the time I got my BA) I was shocked by how many students diid not know who Julius Caesar was, if not from history, at least from Shakespeare. Oy.Many schools do have some remedial proograms for writing, and I agree that for most students, statistics would be a better fit, but guess what, if you are creating a spreadsheet, those formulas are algebra and trig, only instead of x+y= z it is A1+B1=C1. In fact, I think an issue for some, which I am not about to stand for getting rid of, are the distribution requirements in the first year or so. Some people want job training and that is not what a batchelor's degree is about. Some of it is achieving a knowlege of more than the mnimum to do a job, wider knowledge to but your tasks in a wider context. Much of philosophy is about ethics, for instance, and I wish more politicians had taken the course. Reply Gula999 says: August 19, 2019 at 4:42 am Inferior admissions to students ill prepared for academic challenge are dragging down small colleges forced into academic substandards for money. Reply Brittni Woods says: August 19, 2019 at 4:44 am I was nearly a strait A student and had to drop out because it became too expensive Thanks to for profit college I’m in tons of debt and no degree to show for it Dropping out sucks regardless but without the debt it really wouldn’t be so bad Reply Sooke Wildlife Cam says: August 19, 2019 at 5:30 am All the richest men in the world dropped out of college. Reply h h says: August 19, 2019 at 6:03 am Women taking non-profitable majors that wont help them pay off their student loans.. While Smart people go to college for Medical, Law, Science and Tech these are the only reasons to go to college as they are the highest paying Majors.. only idiots take easy courses like Psychology and then they call themselves educated people LMAO!!! Reply h h says: August 19, 2019 at 6:20 am Also these days they grade on a scale.. if an A = 100% and the top student get 70% grades are based off his 70% as the 100%. so if you got a 40%, you essentially have 60%. Reply commuted says: August 19, 2019 at 6:26 am Is there a way to profit from high dropout rates? Reply Ste H says: August 19, 2019 at 6:42 am This doesn't surprise me much, and I wonder how many dropouts are as a result of mounting student debt and a rising cost of living,… the stress that can cause would alone be enough to impact an individual's capacity to study, learn & achieve. Reply Akram T says: August 19, 2019 at 6:43 am Do you want to talk about your peaceful antifa haha Reply kobaltkween says: August 19, 2019 at 7:10 am Yes, students will use algebra. Want to work out if you can make it to the next rest stop on a quarter tank of gas? You'll have to do algebra. Want to double a recipe? Algebra. Figure out how much to tip? Algebra. Pretty much everything you have to do in life that involves numbers requires algebra. Reply Pinkerton00 says: August 19, 2019 at 7:12 am "free college is great, but getting students into college is only the first part of the problem, but getting them to graduate…really isn't being talked about any place…"Wasn't financial struggles the FIRST thing he mentioned as a barrier to graduation? Sounds to me like free college does a lot to solve the problem…In fact, every single college dropout that I know did so because they didn't have the money. If anything, graduating was probably too easy as long as you had the money. Reply Volker Siegel says: August 19, 2019 at 7:51 am How does penalizing high dropout rate work? It motivates strongly to make it easier to not drop out, or harder to drop out, or both. Reply Volker Siegel says: August 19, 2019 at 7:54 am Statistic: Yes! That is very fucking important for real life! And just as hard, unfortunately. Reply Cassidy Smith says: August 19, 2019 at 8:03 am Our younger generation cares more about making money on YouTube. Why go to college or go work at a real job when YouTube will pay you? Reply Roland G says: August 19, 2019 at 8:21 am College is a scam Reply Nimander says: August 19, 2019 at 8:21 am Could look to Scandinavian countries who have been looking in to dropout rates in higher education for some time.(Both by incentivizing the institutions and students) For example turning 40% of a student loan into a stipend if the student graduates. Reply ALP7A says: August 19, 2019 at 8:35 am Pin some blame on students. University isn't a daycare for these 'adults'. Reply JamesFrancesco says: August 19, 2019 at 8:47 am they'll use statistics, but not fucking algebra? good luck with stats if you don't know algebra Reply Paolo Martini says: August 19, 2019 at 8:51 am Too expensive. More tutors. Reply Beverly Beverly says: August 19, 2019 at 8:54 am FROM COLLEGE TO THEPOOR HOUSE 😒😒😒 Reply robaerto71 says: August 19, 2019 at 8:55 am And you can NOT compare the College problems to ANY OTHER industrialized country!!! Your students are forced to spend fifty to several hundreds of thousands of Dollars (!!!) for their college, AND WHAT ARE YOU GETTING FOR THAT????? In the other countries college is FREE or nearly free!!! Reply Who Who and Zulu. says: August 19, 2019 at 9:07 am I've been all around the world … education is not wealth … nepotism is wealth … ..that's why the old cliche exists * it's not what you know but who you know * … there is a lot of truth in cliches that's why We use them … Z Reply Laura R Barrow says: August 19, 2019 at 9:18 am I heard it is because of a birth slump of this particular generation. Reply mister_love says: August 19, 2019 at 9:28 am fredo has a college degree and he still doesn't have a real job Reply Leave a Reply Cancel reply Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment.