Town Hall with Bernie Sanders | Part 2

Town Hall with Bernie Sanders | Part 2

August 15, 2019 100 By Stanley Isaacs


SIGNED PETER ‘HAS GREAT STORY THERE, THE STEEL STACKS IN BETHLEHEM, PENNSYLVANIA. WE ARE BACK WITH OUR TOWN HALL AND BERNIE SANDERS.>>Bret: LET’S TAKE SUMMER QUESTIONS FROM OUR AUDIENCE.>>Martha: WE’RE GOING TO GO TO RODNEY. RODNEY, HI, RODNEY, WHAT YOUR QUESTION FOR SENATOR SANDERS?>>THANK YOU. MY QUESTION FOR SENATOR SANDERS HERE IS HOW WOULD YOU BRING BACK JOBS IN INDUSTRY LIKE BETHLEHEM STEEL THAT HAVE BEEN LOST DUE TO IN PART OF TRADE DEALS THAT DON’T FAVOR THE AMERICAN WORKING CLASS?>>Senator Sanders: RODNEY, THAT’S A GREAT QUESTION. [APPLAUSE] YOU ARE LOOKING AT A FORMER CONGRESSMAN AND A SENATOR WHO VOTED, NOT ONLY VOTED AGAINST NAFTA, WALK THE PICKET LINES WITH UNION WORKERS. [APPLAUSE] VOTED AGAINST PERMANENT NORMAL TRADE RELATIONS WITH CHINA, STRONGLY OPPOSED THE TRANS-PACIFIC PARTNERSHIP. AND WHY DID I OPPOSE ALL OF THESE DISASTROUS TRADE AGREEMENTS? IT WAS VERY CLEAR TO ME THAT THESE AGREEMENTS, UNDER DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP, WAS WRITTEN BY MULTINATIONAL CORPORATIONS TO MAKE THESE CORPORATIONS EVEN WEALTHIER AT THE EXPENSE OF THE AMERICAN WORKER. SO LET ME SUGGEST WHAT IS NOT A RADICAL IDEA. AMERICAN WORKERS SHOULD NOT HAVE TO COMPETE AGAINST DESPERATE PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD FOR MAKING A DOLLAR OR $2 AN HOUR. I THINK WE HAVE A MORAL RESPONSIBILITY TO LIFT UP POOR PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD ALONG WITH THE REST OF THE WEALTHY COUNTRIES, BUT YOU CAN DO THAT WITHOUT ENGAGING IN A RACE TO THE BOTTOM. I DON’T WANT — I HAVE HEARD — I HAVE HEARD FROM, 100 LIFETIME VOTING UNION. I TALKED TO UNION WORKERS AND THEY SAY OUR BOSS HAS SAID THAT IF YOU DON’T TAKE A PAY CUT, YOU DON’T TAKE A CUT IN HEALTH CARE, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE TO MEXICO, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FOR CHINA WHERE PEOPLE ARE PREPARED TO WORK FOR ALMOST NOTHING. SO WE NEED — TRADE IS A GOOD THING, BUT WE NEED A TRADE POLICY THAT WORKS FOR WORKING FAMILIES AND NOT JUST FOR THE LARGE CORPORATIONS. [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]>>Martha: ALL RIGHT. YOU JUST SIGN PETER DOOCY’S PACKAGE THERE, PEOPLE SAYING THEY THINK THE ECONOMY IS DOING PRETTY WELL HERE, SO IN PENNSYLVANIA YOU’VE GOT UNEMPLOYMENT IS DOWN OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, WAGES ARE UP 6.6%. SO HOW DO YOU CONVINCE THOSE PEOPLE IN THIS AREA, WHO I KNOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO WIN OVER THIS TIME AROUND, THAT THEY SHOULD SORT OF CHANGE HORSES AND GO WITH YOU ON THINGS ARE GOING WELL?>>Senator Sanders: THAT’S A FAIR QUESTION, AND LET’S LOOK AT WHAT’S GOING ON NOT ONLY IN THE UNITED STATES, AROUND THE WORLD. I KNOW DONALD TRUMP WILL TELL YOU THAT HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RELATIVELY LOW ON THE PLUMBING, WHICH WE CURRENTLY EXPERIENCE. WELL GUESS WHAT? IN 2010, AT THE HEART OF THE WALL STREET CRASH, ON WOMEN IN AMERICA WAS 10%. YOU REMEMBER THAT. BY THE TIME OBAMA LEFT OFFICE, IT WAS 4.5%. SO IT’S GONE DOWN AND IN THE LAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS UNDER TRUMPET HAS GONE DOWN, 3.5% DOWN? THAT’S GOOD. YOU KNOW IT ON EMPLOYMENT IS IN GERMANY NOW? 3.1%. IN JAPAN IT’S 2.8%. IN THE U.K. IT’S A HAIR HIGHER THAN US. IN OTHER WORDS, THE ENTIRE GLOBAL ECONOMY, THANK GOD, IS BOUNCING BACK FROM THE TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE WALL STREET DISASTER THAT COST SO MANY JOBS AND CAUSED SO MUCH SUFFERING IN THIS COUNTRY.>>Bret: YOU SAID IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TRUMP –>>Senator Sanders: WHAT I’M SUGGESTING TO YOU IS THE FACTS ARE VERY CLEAR, THAT IN JAPAN, GERMANY, UNITED KINGDOM, ALL OVER THE WORLD, THANK GOD, IT’S A GOOD THING, THE GLOBAL ECONOMY IS COMING BACK AND UNEMPLOYMENT IS RELATIVELY LOW. I KNOW TRUMP WILL GIVE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT SPIN ON IT, BUT IN THE MIDST OF ALL OF THIS, IN THE CURRENT ECONOMY TODAY, WHILE UNEMPLOYMENT IS LOW AND WE ARE ALL DELIGHTED BY THAT, WHAT YOU HAVE IS THAT MOST OF THE NEW INCOME AND WEALTH CONTINUES TO GO TO THE VERY, VERY WEALTHY. IF YOU A SITUATION NOW WERE 7 MILLION MORE PEOPLE LACK HEALTH INSURANCE THAT USED TO HAVE IT. AND YOU STILL HAVE A SITUATION WHERE IN STATES ALL OF HIS COUNTRY, AND IT’S HARD FOR ME TO BELIEVE THIS, BUT IT’S TRUE, YOU GOT PEOPLE STILL WORKING FOR 7.50, $8 AN HOUR BECAUSE TRUMP AND REPUBLICANS REFUSE TO RAISE THE MINIMUM WAGE TO A LIVING WAGE, SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE ECONOMY TODAY IS GOOD, THANK GOD, BUT YOU’VE GOT TENS OF MILLIONS OF WORKERS STILL STRUGGLING TO PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE AND WE GOT TO ADDRESS THEIR NEEDS.>>Martha: LET ME ASK YOU JUST QUICKLY, IF YOU RAISE TAXES ON CORPORATIONS, WHICH I KNOW YOU WEREN’T HAPPY WITH THE TAX CUTS FOR CORPORATIONS, AREN’T YOU AFRAID THAT THAT’S GOING TO CHILL EMPLOYMENT? THAT THOSE COMPANIES ARE GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE HAVE 100 EMPLOYEES, WE COULD DO IT WITH 50 OR WE COULD DO IT WITH 60, WE ARE NOT GOING TO PAY THESE HIGHER TAXES.>>Senator Sanders: IF YOU WANT TO DEFEND — I THINK WE LOOK AT THE WORLD A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY BUT IF YOU WANT TO DEFEND A TAX SYSTEM IN WHICH AMAZON, OWNED BY THE WEALTHIEST PERSON IN THIS COUNTRY, PAID ZERO AND FEDERAL TAXES.>>Martha: I DON’T THINK ANYBODY THINK THAT’S FAIR.>>Senator Sanders: GOOD.>>Martha: BUT I’M SAYING IF YOU RAISE TAXES ON COMPANIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, ARE YOU WORRIED THAT THEY WILL EMPLOY FEWER PEOPLE?>>Senator Sanders: TAX POLICY IS COMPLETED AND YOU GOT TO IT RIGHT. RAISE TAXES ON SMALL BUSINESSES — WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS RAISING TAXES ON LARGE, PROFITABLE CORPORATIONS AND ON THE WEALTHIEST PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY. AND I THINK THAT THAT IS FAIR. [APPLAUSE]>>Bret: SENATOR, YOU LOOK AT THE LIST, YOU ARE FOR THE GREEN NEW DEAL IN DIFFERENT POLICIES WITHIN IT, BUT YOUR FOR IT GENERALLY. WE TALKED ABOUT MEDICARE FOR ALL.>>Senator Sanders: CAN WE TALK ABOUT –>>Bret: WE WILL. YOU HAVE AN INFRA- STRUCTURE PLAN. FREE COLLEGE TUITION. WE HAVE A SHOT OF THE CURRENT NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK. IT STANDS AT MORE THAN 22 TRILLION TONIGHT AND AS WE ARE TALKING HERE, IT IS TAKING UP. IT YOU’VE TALKED ABOUT WAYS TO PAY FOR YOUR PLANS, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF DOUBT THAT YOUR PLANS MIGHT ACTUALLY SPEED UP THAT CLOCK DRAMATICALLY, SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, DO NOT CARE ABOUT THAT ANYMORE?>>Senator Sanders: I THINK YOU’RE ASKING THE WRONG GUY. MAYBE IT’S THE PRESIDENT. [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE] IN ALL DUE RESPECT, TRUMP GAVE A TRILLION AND A HALF DOLLAR TAX BREAK TO THE TOP 1% AND LARGE PROFITABLE CORPORATIONS, AND I FIND IT SO IRONIC THAT MY REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES TALK ALL THE TIME ABOUT THE DEBT. THEY DON’T HAVE A WORD TO SAY ABOUT THAT.>>Bret: WE’VE DONE MANY STORIES ABOUT THAT.>>Senator Sanders: NOT A CRITICISM, BUT WHAT I’M SAYING IS –>>Bret: I’M ASKING YOU.>>Senator Sanders: I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE DEBT. IF THAT’S A LEGITIMATE CONCERN. EVERY AMERICAN SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT IT. THAT’S NOT SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE LEAVING TO OUR KIDS AND OUR GRANDCHILDREN, BUT WE PAY FOR WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING. IN TERMS OF MEDICARE FOR ALL, WE ARE PAYING FOR THAT BY ELIMINATING, AS I SAID BEFORE, DEDUCTIBLES, AND PREMIUMS. WE ARE GOING TO SAVE THE AVERAGE FAMILY MONEY. WHEN WE ARE PAYING TWICE AS MUCH AS OTHER COUNTRIES, WE ARE GOING TO MONEY ON HEALTH CARE. I TALKED ABOUT A TAX ON WALL STREET SPECULATION THAT WILL HELP US MAKE COLLEGES, PUBLIC COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES TUITION-FREE. WE HAVE A TAX PLAN TO RAISE THE TRILLION DOLLARS WE NEED OVER A 10-YEAR PERIOD TO REBUILD OUR CRUMBLING INFRASTRUCTURE, SO I THINK YOU’RE TALKING TO THE ONE GUY, WE PAY FOR WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING, UNLIKE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]>>Bret: WE HAVE ANOTHER AUDIENCE QUESTION. AMY IS A THERAPIST FROM SOUTH WHITEHALL TOWNSHIP. AMY, WHAT YOUR QUESTION CONNECTS ME THERE SHE HAS.>>I WORK AS A THERAPIST SPECIFICALLY WITH PEOPLE STRUGGLING WITH OPIOID ADDICTION. PENNSYLVANIA IS CURRENTLY FOURTH IN THE NATION FOR OPIOID OVERDOSE DEATHS WHICH AMOUNTS TO 15 PEOPLE A DAY IN PENNSYLVANIA. AS PRESIDENT, WHAT SPECIFIC POLICIES WOULD YOU IMPLEMENT IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THIS CRISIS?>>Senator Sanders: THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU’RE DOING. AND LET ME SAY, IT’S NOT JUST PENNSYLVANIA, IT’S VERMONT, IT’S NEW HAMPSHIRE. IT IS A TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE CRISIS. FOR THE FIRST THING — THE FIRST THING THAT I WOULD DO IS MAKE CERTAIN THAT WE NEVER ALLOW TRUMP TO IMPLEMENT HIS PLAN, WHICH WOULD THROW 32 MILLION PEOPLE OFF OF THE HEALTH INSURANCE THAT THEY HAVE. SOME OF YOU REMEMBER — THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT WOULD DO TO DEALING WITH OPIOIDS. YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT DURING THE CAMPAIGN, CORRECT ME IF I’M WRONG, YOU GUYS FOLLOW THIS STUFF, DONALD TRUMP CAMPAIGNED AND HE SAID I’M A DIFFERENT TYPE OF REPUBLICAN. I’M NOT GOING TO CUT MEDICAID, I’M NOT GOING TO CUT MEDICARE. THE LAST BUDGET THAT HE BROUGHT FORTH CALLS FOR A TRILLION AND A HALF DOLLAR CUT IN MEDICAID OVER A 10-YEAR PERIOD, $845 BILLION IN MEDICARE. WHAT WOULD’VE TRILLION TRILLION AND A HALF CUT TO MEDICAID DO FOR OUR ABILITY TO COMBAT THE OPIOID ADDICTION? SO WHAT WE NEED, IN FACT, IS WE NEED A SERIES OF IDEAS TO DEAL WITH IS VERY, VERY SERIOUS ADDICTION. WE ARE FACING A NATION RIGHT NOW WHERE HER LIFE EXPECTANCY IS ACTUALLY GOING DOWN, AND ONE OF THE REASONS HIS DRUG ADDICTION. IT IS ALCOHOLISM, IT IS SUICIDE, WHICH THE DOCTORS REFER TO AS DISEASES OF DESPAIR. WHEN PEOPLE ARE GIVING UP ON LIFE, THAT’S WHAT HAPPENS. SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE TREATMENT CAPABILITIES, WHICH MOST STATES — VERMONT IS DOING FAIRLY WELL IN THAT. THAT MEANS IF YOU WANT TO GET OFF OF THAT ADDICTION, THERE IS A PLACE FOR YOU TO GO. IT’S DIFFICULT, IT’S TOUGH STUFF, BUT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ADDICTION IN A SERIOUS WAY AND INVEST IN TREATMENT FOR THOSE WHO ARE ADDICTED. [APPLAUSE]>>Bret: FOR ALL OF THESE PLANS — FOR ALL OF THESE PLANS YOU SAY THERE ARE ENOUGH TAXES TO RAISE TO PAY FOR ALL OF THE PLANS.>>Senator Sanders: S.>>Bret: BIPARTISAN INDEPENDENT GROUPS WHO HAVE LOOKED AT THOSE PLANS AND SAY JUST DOESN’T ADD UP. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THEM?>>Senator Sanders: WE DISAGREE AND SOMETIMES THESE PLANS DONE BY THINK TANKS, CHECK OUT WHO FUNDS THE THINK TANKS. [APPLAUSE] LOOK, BRET, HERE IS THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. LET ME JUST BRING IT DOWN, WHERE THE WEALTHIEST COUNTRY IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD, THAT’S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD BE HAVING THE HIGHEST RATE OF CHILDHOOD POVERTY OF ALMOST ANY MAJOR NATION ON EARTH? WE HAVE SOME MOMS HERE OR SPENDING 15, $20,000 A YEAR TRYING TO FIND QUALITY CHILD CARE FOR THEIR KIDS. WE PROBABLY HAVE A CHILD CARE SYSTEMS WHICH IS MORE DYSFUNCTIONAL THAN ALMOST ANY OTHER COUNTRY ON EARTH, BUT WE ALL KNOW THOSE YEARS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT YEARS. GOT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF BRIGHT YOUNG PEOPLE IN AMERICA TODAY, THE WEALTHIEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, THEY CAN’T AFFORD TO GO TO COLLEGE, AND YOU’VE GOT 40 MILLION PEOPLE STRUGGLING WITH STUDENT DEBT. YOU REALLY THINK THAT WE CANNOT DO BETTER AS A NATION, AND ON TOP OF THAT YOU GOT A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE WHO ARE OWN MORE WEAH PEOPLE WHO ARE OWN MORE WEAN THE BOTTOM HALF OF THE AMERICANS — I UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE TAKING ON CORPORATE AMERICA, WE’RE TAKING ON REPUBLICANS, TAKING ON THE DEMOCRATIC ESTABLISHMENT, TAKING ON THE DRUG COMPANIES, THE INSURANCE COMPANY, THE MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX, YOU KNOW WHAT — [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE] IT AIN’T EASY! I KNOW THAT. BUT I THINK WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE KNOW, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE I THINK ARE READY TO DEAL WITH JUSTICE IN AMERICA. THAT’S WHAT WE’RE FIGHTING FOR. THAT’S ECONOMIC JUSTICE, SOCIAL JUSTICE, ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE, RACIAL JUSTICE. [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]>>Martha: WE WANT TO GET YOU SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT — WE WANT TO GET TO SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT IMMIGRATION.>>Senator Sanders: IMMIGRATION?>>Martha: IMMIGRATION, AND LET’S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BORDER. THE PRESIDENT, AS YOU KNOW, HAS SAID THE CAPACITY FOR ASYLUM SEEKERS THAT WERE FULL OF THE BORDER IN TERMS OF HOUSING, AND ITS OVERFLOWING, BAD, UNTENABLE SITUATION RIGHT NOW, HE HAS SUGGESTED, AND IT’S BEEN VERY CONTROVERSIAL OF THE PAST FEW DAYS, SENDING SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE TO SANCTUARY CITIES, WHICH HAVE SAID IN THE PAST THAT THEY HAVE OPEN DOORS FOR IMMIGRANTS, AND THEY HAVE OPEN DOORS FOR IMMIGRANTS. SO THE OVERFLOW THAT WE HAVE NO CAPACITY FOR, WHERE DO YOU THINK THEY SHOULD GO –>>Senator Sanders: FIRST THOUGHT, FIRST THOUGHT, I MEAN, THIS PRESIDENT — LEMME GET INTO THIS. I’VE TALKED ENOUGH ABOUT HIM. WE HAVE A PROBLEM AT THE BORDER. A SERIOUS PROBLEM. CORRECT ME IF YOU THINK I’M WRONG, THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE ARE NOW SEEING DESPERATE PEOPLE FLEEING VIOLENCE AND MISERY IN HONDURAS, EL SALVADOR, GUATEMALA WITH LITTLE CHILDREN WALKING A THOUSAND MILES. THEY ARE NOT TRYING TO SNEAK IN. CORRECT ME IF I’M WRONG, THEY’RE GOING UP AND THEY ARE SAYING WE WANT ASYLUM BECAUSE I DON’T WANT MY LITTLE GIRL TO GROW UP TO BE TREATED TERRIBLY BY GANGS, OKAY? NOW YOU’RE RIGHT, THERE ARE A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE, SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO? WE NEED SENSIBLE IMMIGRATION REFORM, WHICH INCLUDES, AMONG OTHER THINGS, GETTING HUNDREDS OF NEW JUDGES, BECAUSE THE SYSTEM IS NOW OVERFLOWING, WHO CAN DEAL WITH THESE ISSUES. YOU’RE COMING INTO THE COUNTRY, ARE YOU REALLY FLEEING VIOLENCE OR IS IT ANOTHER REASON? OKAY, SO YOU NEED TO HAVE MANY, MANY MORE JUDGES TO EXPEDITE THE PROCESS.>>Bret: AND NEW ASYLUM WAS?>>Senator Sanders: PARTY MAKE MXP WHEN NEW ASYLUM WAS?>>Senator Sanders: HISTORICALLY FROM AN INTERNATIONAL AND NATIONAL PERSPECTIVE, AND I SPEAK AS THE SON OF AN IMMIGRANT HIMSELF. WHO CAME TO THIS COUNTRY AT THE AGE OF 17 FROM POLAND WITHOUT A NICKEL IN HIS POCKET, INTERNATIONALLY WITH THE WORLD HAS SAID IS THAT IF YOU ARE FLEEING VIOLENCE, IF YOUR LIFE IS IN DANGER, THAT OTHER COUNTRIES SHOULD WELCOME YOU IN. BUT WE NEED REAL, COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM. WE DON’T NEED — LET ME SAY IT IS VERY CLEAR — WE DON’T NEED TO DEMONIZE IMMIGRANTS. THAT WE DON’T NEED. [APPLAUSE]>>Martha: LET ME ASK YOU TO ANSWER MY QUESTION, WHICH IS RIGHT NOW IF YOU WERE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, WE HAVE OVERFLOWING FACILITIES, THEY NEED TO GO SOMEWHERE BECAUSE THEY’RE IN THAT ASYLUM –>>Senator Sanders: WHAT ABOUT BUILDING PROPER FACILITIES FOR THEM RIGHT NOW?>>Martha: WHERE?>>Senator Sanders: RIGHT ON THE BORDER.>>Martha: THE SO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE BORDER SHOULD HAVE MORE FACILITIES IN THEIR STATE, BUT SANCTUARY CITIES WHICH HAVE SAID THEY ARE OPEN TO ACCEPTING PEOPLE SHOULD NOT TAKE MORE?>>Senator Sanders: THIS IS A POLITICAL ACT. IT’S NOT A REAL QUESTION.>>Martha: YES, IT IS PRETTY>>Senator Sanders: IT’S A POLITICAL DECISION. SO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO — LET’S TALK ABOUT IMMIGRATION, WHICH IS A REAL ISSUE. FIRST OF ALL, INSTEAD OF DEMONIZING IMMIGRANTS — I WON’T SAY YOU ARE BUT WE HAVE A PRESIDENT WERE CERTAINLY DOES EVERY SINGLE DAY. WHAT WE NEED IS COPPERHEADS OF IMMIGRATION REFORM. IF THAT’S WHAT AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT. WE HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO BELIEVES IN THAT, WE COULD ACTUALLY DO I IT. [APPLAUSE]>>Martha: BOTH PARTIES NEED TO AGREE ON A VERY>>Senator Sanders: TRUMP AND AT THE DACA PROGRAM THAT OBAMA ESTABLISHED. YOU KNOW THAT MEANS? EVERY DAY MORE AND MORE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE RAISED IN UNITED STATES FROM TWO OR THREE YEARS OF AGE, THEY ARE IN THE MILITARY, THEY ARE TEACHERS. THEY ARE WORKING ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY. THEY ARE NOW SCARED TO DEATH THAT SUMMER IS GOING TO PICK THEM UP THROW THEM OUT OF THE COUNTRY AND THAT IS WHAT PROMPTED. WE NEED TO PROVIDE LEGAL STATUS TO THOSE PEOPLE, AND WE NEED A HUMANE — LOOK, MARTHA, I’M NOT SAYING THIS IS AN EASY ISSUE, BUT LET’S NOT POLITICIZE IT. WHAT WE NEED, AS I SAID, WE NEED THE PROPER LEGAL PROCESSES AT THE BORDER SO THAT THESE ISSUES CAN BE ADJUDICATED TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE SHOULD BE ENTITLED TO ASYLUM.>>Bret: YOU DIDN’T TALK ABOUT A WALL OR SECURITY THERE BUT YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE.>>Senator Sanders: WE NEED BORDER SECURITY, COURSE WE DO. WHO ARGUES WITH THAT? THAT GOES WITHOUT SAYING. I HAPPEN TO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE MORE COST EFFECTIVE WAYS TO DO THAT THAN SIMPLY BUILDING A WALL.>>Bret: LET’S GO BACK TO THE AUDIENCE. TONY IS A REAL ESTATE AGENT FROM PENNSYLVANIA, HE HAS OUR NEXT QUESTION. TONY?>>SENATOR SANDERS, GOOD LUCK IN YOUR CAMPAIGN. AS A AMERICAN I WANT TO BE ASSURED OUR COUNTRY ISN’T GOING TO PARTAKE IN ANY FOREIGN AFFAIRS THAT DON’T DIRECTLY AFFECT OUR NATIONAL SECURITY. I BELIEVE WE NEED TO STAY OUT OF SYRIA, VENEZUELA AND OTHER COUNTRIES THAT HAVE THEIR OWN PERSONAL ISSUES. YOU WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH THE SENTIMENT OR YOU GOING TO BECOME ANOTHER COG IN THE WAR MACHINE?>>Senator Sanders: TONY, THANK YOU. THAT’S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION, AND WE DON’T COME AS A NATION, WE DON’T DISCUSS FOREIGN AFFAIRS QUITE AS MUCH AS WE SHOULD. TONY, YOU’RE LOOKING AT A GUY WHO, ONCE AGAIN, NOT ONLY VOTED AGAINST THE WAR IN IRAQ, I HELPED LEAD THE OPPOSITION FOR THE WAR IN IRAQ AND IF YOU GO BACK, GO BACK TO YOUTUBE AND WHAT I SAID THEN IS THAT WARS HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES, WHETHER IT WAS THE TRAGEDY OF VIETNAM WITH SO MANY PEOPLE IN MY GENERATION STILL SUFFERING, PEOPLE STILL SLEEPING ON THE STREETS AND BY THE WAY, WE’VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT NO VETERAN IN THIS COUNTRY SLEEPS OUT ON THE STREET. [APPLAUSE] LET ME JUST SAY THIS, THIS IS, AND A SENSE, GOOD NEWS. IN THE LAST MONTH I’VE LED THE EFFORT ALONG WITH SENATOR MIKE LEE, A CONSERVATIVE FROM UTAH, MIKE AND I LED THE EFFORT IN THE SENATE, WITH SOME REALLY GREAT PEOPLE IN A BIPARTISAN WAY, LET IT IN THE HOUSE. WHAT WE SAID IS WE THINK THAT THE UNITED STATES SHOULD GET OUT OF THE SAUDI-LED WAR IN YEMEN. [APPLAUSE] AND FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE THE WAR POWERS ACT WAS PASSED 45 YEARS AGO, WE SUCCEEDED IN THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE. LET ME SAY THIS IN A VERY SERIOUS WAY. I’VE BEEN CRITICAL OF THE PRESIDENT ON MY PORTABLE LET ME JUST SAY THIS, THE PRESIDENT HAS SAID THAT HE DOES NOT WANT TO SEE THIS COUNTRY INVOLVED IN ENDLESS WARS, AND I AGREE WITH THAT END, MR. PRESIDENT, TONIGHT, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING EXTRAORDINARY. SIGN THAT RESOLUTION. SAUDI ARABIA SHOULD NOT BE DETERMINING THE MILITARY OR FOREIGN POLICY OF THIS COUNTRY. IT LET’S GET OUT OF SAUDI ARABIA, LET’S DEVELOP A BIPARTISAN APPROACH SO THAT WE DO NOT CONTINUE TO BE ENGAGED IN WARS LIKE AFGHANISTAN, WHICH IS 18 YEARS NOW.>>Bret: FROM A FOREIGN POLICY PERSPECTIVE, WHICH COUNTRY IS THE BIGGEST THREAT TO THE U.S.?>>Senator Sanders: I DON’T KNOW THAT I — LOOK, I DON’T LIKE USING THE WORD “THREAT” BECAUSE THAT IS LIKE OH, MY GOD, WE HAVE TO SPEND MILLIONS MORE ON THE MILITARY. I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. CLEARLY WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT CHINA, CONCERNED ABOUT RUSSIA, BUT HERE’S THE IRONY HERE. YOU’VE GOT PEOPLE WHO SAY WE NEED TO SPEND EVEN MORE THAN $700 BILLION A YEAR, MORE THAN THE NEXT TEN NATIONS COMBINED COME ON THE MILITARY, DO KNOW MY? BECAUSE CHINA IS A REAL POTENTIAL ENEMY. THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE ARE INVESTING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS BUILDING THE CHINESE ECONOMY. I FIND THAT SOMEWHAT IRONIC. [APPLAUSE] SO I DON’T LIKE TO USE THE WORD “ENEMY.” CLEARLY WE NEED A STRONG DEFENSE. WE NEED TO BRING THE UNITED STATES AND THE REST OF THE WORLD TOGETHER, DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO RID THIS WORLD OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS, AND I WILL TELL YOU WHAT ELSE, IN MY VIEW, IS A NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE, AND THAT IS WE HAVE GOD, AS A NATION, TO REJECT TRUMP’S IDEA THAT CLIMATE CHANGE IS A HOAX. [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE] AND I’M SURE YOU’RE FAMILIAR WITH THE SCIENTIFIC REPORTS THAT TELL US THAT WE HAVE ALL OF 12 YEARS TO SIGNIFICANTLY CUT CARBON EMISSIONS OR ELSE THEY WILL BE IRREPARABLE DAMAGE TO UNITED STATES AND COUNTRIES ALL OVER THE WORLD, SO WE HAVE A MORAL RESPONSIBILITY, IN MY VIEW, TO TRANSFORM OUR ENERGY SYSTEM AND LEAVE THIS PLANET HEALTHY AND HABITABLE FOR OUR CHILDREN AND OUR GRANDCHILDREN, AND BY THE WAY, WHEN WE DO THAT THAT, –>>Martha: BECAUSE YOU BROUGHT UP THE QUESTION OF EMISSIONS, JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION ON EMISSIONS, YOU THINK WE SHOULD ELIMINATE NUCLEAR POWER COME WHICH I KNOW THEY DID IT IN VERMONT, BUT ENDED UP ACTUALLY MOVING HER EMISSIONS HIGHER BY 16% IN VERMONT BECAUSE NUCLEAR DOESN’T HAVE ANY EMISSIONS.>>Senator Sanders: HONESTLY I DON’T THINK THAT’S CORRECT.>>Martha: I CAN SHOW YOU WHERE.>>Senator Sanders: I CAN TELL YOU THAT IN MY CITY — IN MY CITY IN BURLINGTON, VERMONT, THE LARGEST CITY IN THE STATE OF VERMONT, I BELIEVE THAT ALL OF OUR ENERGY IS NONRENEWABLE. IF SOMETHING STARTED WAY BACK WHEN I WAS MAYOR AND OTHER CITIES ARE DOING THE SAME. BUT HERE IS THE POINT. HERE IS THE POINT. I HAPPEN TO BELIEVE — I DO BELIEVE WE SHOULD PHASE OUT, NOT ELIMINATED TOMORROW. WE SHOULD FACE OF NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS, BUT HERE IS THE MAIN POINT. THE MAIN POINT IS THAT IF WE DO NOT COMBAT CLIMATE CHANGE, I FEAR VERY MUCH THE KIND OF WORLD THAT WE ARE LEAVING TO OUR KIDS IN TERMS OF MORE DROUGHT, MORE FLOODING, MORE EXTREME WEATHER DISTURBANCES, MORE RISING OCEAN LEVELS AND WHEN THOSE THINGS HAPPEN, BY THE WAY, THEY BECOME A NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE BECAUSE PEOPLE MIGRATE. IF I CAN’T — IF I’M LIVING IN THE MIDEAST SOMEPLACE AND I CAN’T GROW FOOD ON MY LAND, I’M GOING TO PICK UP AND LEAVE THAT CAUSES CONFLICT.>>Bret: YOU SAID, SENATOR, THAT YOU WANTED A STRONG DEFENSE BUT YOUR PLAN DOES CALL FOR SIGNIFICANT CUTS IN DEFENSE, WITH THAT SEND A MESSAGE TO THE REST OF THE WORLD THAT WE ARE WEAKER?>>Senator Sanders: NO. NO, NO, NO. WE ARE NOW SPENDING, BRET, WE ARE SPENDING MORE THAN THE NEXT TEN NATIONS COMBINED, INCLUDING MANY OF OUR ALLIES. WE ARE NOW SPENDING OVER $700 BILLION A YEAR ON DEFENSE, SO WE NEED A STRONG DEFENSE, BUT I WILL ALSO TELL YOU THIS, WE HAVE A PENTAGON — THERE ARE SOME REPUBLICANS, THE RANKING MEMBER OF THE BUDGET COMMITTEE, MIKE IS THE CHAIRMAN OF IT AND MIKE AND II THINK ARE IN THE AGREEMENT ON THIS, THE CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN, THERE’S SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE PENTAGON IS THE ONLY MAJOR AGENCY OF GOVERNMENT THAT HAS NOT UNDERTAKEN OR COMPLETED IN MAJOR AUDIT, AND THERE ARE VERY FEW PEOPLE — A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF WASTE. IF YOU ARE JOHN McCAIN, LATE JOHN McCAIN TALKED ABOUT THE INCREDIBLE COST OVERRUNS WITH DOMINIC EXISTING IN THE PENTAGON. WE DO NEED A STRONG DEFENSE, SUPPORT OUR STRONG DEFENSE BUT I DON’T SUPPORT WASTE AND PROFITEERING.>>Martha: A QUICK LIGHTNING ROUND, TRY TO GO ABOUT 152ND ANSWERS.>>Senator Sanders: OH, I HATE THIS. ALL RIGHT.>>Martha: THE FIRST ONE IS VERY SERIOUS QUESTION, YOU SAID YESTERDAY, I WATCHED A RALLY IN PITTSBURGH, NO ONE SHOULD TELL A WOMAN WHAT TO DO WITH HER OWN BODY. [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE] WITH REGARD TO ABORTION. WITH REGARD TO ABORTION, DO BELIEVE THAT A WOMAN SHOULD BE ABLE TO TERMINATE A PREGNANCY UP UNTIL THE MOMENT OF BIRTH?>>Senator Sanders: LOOK, I THINK THAT THAT HAPPENS VERY, VERY RARELY. I THINK THIS IS THE MAKING OF A POLITICAL ISSUE. I THINK IT’S RARE, IT’S BEING MADE INTO A POLITICAL ISSUE BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I BELIEVE THAT THE DECISION OVER ABORTION BELONGS TO A WOMAN AND HER PHYSICIAN, NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, NOT THE STATE GOVERNMENT. [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]>>Bret: SENATOR, YOU ARE LOOKING TO BECOME THE FIRST JEWISH PRESIDENT. IF YOU ARE ALSO A STAUNCH SUPPORTER OF CONGRESSWOMAN ILHAN OMAR. [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]>>Senator Sanders: HOLD IT, HOLD IT, HOLD IT. I’VE TALKED TO HER ABOUT TWICE IN MY LIFE. I RESPECT HER. I DO SUPPORTER. I SUPPORT A MUSLIM MEMBER OF CONGRESS NOT TO BE ATTACKED EVERY SINGLE DAY IN OUTRAGEOUS, RACIST REMARKS.>>Bret: SURE. MY QUESTION IS THAT EVEN SOME FELLOW DEMOCRATS HAD SOME PROBLEMS — HAVE ACCUSED HER OF USING LANGUAGE KIND OF ASSOCIATED WITH ANTI-SEMITISM. CAN YOU UNDERSTAND WHY SOME JEWISH AMERICANS WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SOME OF THAT?>>Senator Sanders: I CAN UNDERSTAND — I THINK THAT IS NOT QUITE RIGHT AND I THINK THAT SHE HAS GOT TO DO MAY BE A BETTER JOB IN SPEAKING TO THE JEWISH COMMUNITY, BUT IF YOUR QUESTION TO ME IS DO I THINK SHE’S ANTI-SEMITIC, NO, I DON’T.>>Bret: NOT HER.>>Senator Sanders: HERE IS THE POINT, ALSO, I’M JEWISH. I LOST MY FATHER’S FAMILY, DEVASTATED BY HITLER, SO THIS IS AN ISSUE OF SOME SENSITIVITY TO ME. I WILL DO EVERYTHING IN MY POWER, AND I HOPE EVERY MEMBER OF CONGRESS WILL FIGHT NOT ONLY ANTI-SEMITISM, BUT RACISM AND ANTI-MUSLIM ACTIVITY SO WE CREATE A NONDISCRIMINATORY SOCIETY, BUT IT IS NOT ANTI-SEMITIC TO BE CRITICAL OF A RIGHT WING GOVERNMENT IN ISRAEL. IT IS NOT ANTI-SEMITIC. [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]>>Martha: DO YOU BELIEVE — DO BELIEVE THAT MURDERERS AND RAPISTS OR THIEVES OR CHILD MOLESTERS SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE FROM PRESENT TO MAKE>>Senator Sanders: GOOD QUESTION. IN MY STATE, TURNS OUT THAT IN OUR CONSTITUTION IN THE STATE OF VERMONT FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO VOTE. SO I THINK YOU MAKE — IF SOMEBODY DOES SOMETHING TERRIBLE, THEY ARE A RAPIST OR A MURDERER, YOU SEND THEM AWAY, SOMETIMES FOR LIFE, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT INTEGRAL TO WHO WE ARE AS AMERICANS, NO MATTER WHAT KIND OF TERRIBLE THINGS YOU DID, YOU’RE PAYING THE PRICE, MAYBE YOU’RE IN JAIL FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, BUT YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE. AND I WILL TELL YOU WHAT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT UPSETS ME VERY MUCH IS WE HAVE COWARDLY REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS ARE WORKING OVERTIME TO SUPPRESS THE VOTE, TO MAKE IT HARDER FOR PEOPLE OF COLOR OR POOR PEOPLE, FOR YOUNG PEOPLE, TO VOTE. SOMEONE TOO HARD AND STAY YOU COMMITTED A CRIME, YOU CAN’T VOTE, OR YOU DID THIS, YOU CAN’T VOTE, YOU DID THAT, YOU CAN’T VOTE, I DON’T LIKE THAT. EVERY AMERICAN 18 AGE OR OLDER WHO IS A CITIZEN IN THIS COUNTRY HAS THE RIGHT TO VOTE.>>Martha: WHAT IF THEY SAY THE SAME THING ABOUT YOU, THAT YOU JUST WANT FELONS TO VOTE BECAUSE YOU THINK IT WILL BE BETTER FOR YOU?>>Senator Sanders: COME ON.>>Martha: THEY COULD SAY THE SAME THING, RIGHT? [BOOS]>>Senator Sanders: AND YOU HAVE DONE A SCIENTIFIC STUDY TO DETERMINE THAT.>>Martha: I’M JUST SAYING THAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO ENCOURAGE VOTERS AND DISCOURAGE VOTERS DEPENDING ON WHERE THEY SET.>>Senator Sanders: ONE OF THE POLITICAL PROBLEMS THAT WE’RE FACING RIGHT NOW IS THE EFFORT TO DENY PEOPLE THE RIGHT TO VOTE. LOOK, I HAVE RUN FOR OFFICE MANY TIMES IN VERMONT. SOMETIMES I LOST, SOMETIMES I WON BUT I DON’T STAFF AT NIGHT FIGURING OUT HOW TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM VOTING. [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]>>Bret: WE’VE BEEN TOLD THAT THE REDACTED MUELLER REPORT, THE REDACTED VERSION OF THE MUELLER REPORT IS COMING ON THURSDAY, YOU DON’T TALK A LOT ABOUT THE SPECIAL COUNSEL INVESTIGATION ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL, WHY?>>Senator Sanders: BECAUSE EVERYBODY ELSE IS TALKING ABOUT IT. IT IS WHAT IT IS, IT’S COMING OUT. I THINK TO THE EXTENT — AS MUCH OF IT IS CAN BE MADE PUBLIC SHOULD BE MADE PUBLIC. I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW WHAT’S IN THE REPORT, PERIOD. [APPLAUSE]>>Martha: ONE QUESTION ABOUT SOMEBODY WHO MAY RUN AGAINST YOU, DO YOU THINK THAT JOE BIDEN IS A PROGRESSIVE?>>Senator Sanders: JOE IS SOMEBODY WHO I HAVE KNOWN MANY, MANY YEARS. JOE WAS A FRIEND OF MINE, AND BY THE WAY, I HOPE VERY MUCH THAT IN THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY, WITH GOT A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE, MANY OF THEM PERSONAL FRIENDS OF MINE, THAT WE HAVE A DEBATE ABOUT THE ISSUES AND NOT ABOUT PERSONALITY. JOE IS A FRIEND OF MINE.>>Martha: IS HE A PROGRESSIVE THOUGH?>>Senator Sanders: YOU SEE, YOU’RE TRYING TO DO THAT. I’M NOT GOING TO FALL FOR THAT. JOE WAS A FRIEND, YOU WILL GET HIS POINT OF VIEW, I GIVE MINE, LET’S LET PEOPLE DECIDE.>>Bret: OF THE 20 POTENTIAL DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES, DO HAVE ONE THAT YOU THINK WILL BE THE TOUGHEST CHALLENGER TO YOU?>>Senator Sanders: I HAVE NO IDEA. TODAY THERE WAS A POLL THAT ULTIMATELY, TOMORROW WE WILL BE IN 18TH PLACE, WHO KNOWS WHAT GOES ON? JUST DO THE BEST, ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT WHAT I AM PROUD OF, AND OUR CAMPAIGN, MEDIA PAYS ATTENTION TO THE MONEY WE RAISE, GOOD. MORE IMPORTANT TO ME, WE HAVE OVER 1 MILLION PEOPLE WHO HAVE SIGNED UP TO VOLUNTEER. [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]>>Bret: WILL GIVE TO THE FLOOR HERE FOR A CLOSING STATEMENT.>>Senator Sanders: OH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>Martha: WE WANT TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO MAKE A CLOSING STATEMENT. [CROWD CHANTING “BERNIE” PULSE BRACKET>>Bret: WILL GIVE HIM A CLOSING STATEMENT.>>Senator Sanders: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I HOPE I WASN’T TOO HARD ON YOU. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE. THANK EVERYBODY FOR WATCHING, JUST A COUPLE OF POINTS. I THINK SOMETIMES THE DIVISIONS IN THIS COUNTRY GET A LITTLE BIT TOO HEIGHTENED. AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ARE ALL AMERICANS WHO LOVE THIS COUNTRY, AND I ALSO THINK, AND THE MEDIA PLAYS NOT A GOOD ROLE IN THIS, AGAIN, NOT JUST FOX, WE HAVE A LOT MORE IN COMMON THAN MOST PEOPLE THINK WE DO. POLL AFTER POLL. SHOULD WE RAISE THE MINIMUM WAGE TO LIVING WAGE? YES. SHOULD WE REBUILD OUR CRUMBLING INFRASTRUCTURE? SHOULD WE MAKE SURE THAT OUR VETERANS GET THE HEALTH CARE THAT THEY HAVE EARNED? ALL RIGHT? SHOULD WE MAKE SURE THAT WE DO NOT BUT SOCIAL SECURITY OR MEDICARE OR MEDICAID? SHOULD WE GIVE HUGE TAX BREAKS TO BILLIONAIRES? THAT’S HOW MOST PEOPLE FEEL. SO I HOPE — I HOPE, I’M LOOKING FOR A GOOD CAMPAIGN, AND THE LAST ONE I WANT TO MAKE AND I THINK FOX FOR THE OPPORTUNITY OF BEING HERE, AND THAT IS, I WANT TO SEE OUR COUNTRY HAVE THE HIGHEST VOTER TURNOUT IN THE INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD, NOT ONE OF THE LOWEST. SO NO MATTER WHAT YOUR VIEWS ARE, GET INVOLVED IN THE