Third Level Graduate Scheme – Stamp 1G

Third Level Graduate Scheme – Stamp 1G

October 16, 2019 2 By Stanley Isaacs


Okay, good afternoon everyone, I’ve given it the obligatory Irish five minutes for people to arrive We still may have some come in but we will get this show on the road Thank you for coming along today on the info session on the third level Graduate scheme By a show of hands how many people here are undergraduates? Just a few and graduate students the majority Anyone here currently on the scheme Yes a couple of people okay, so Today what we’re going to do is kind of look at what the program is How its evolved how to apply for it? so the practicalities of what you need to know, and then my colleague Sri who works with me in the international office and who is currently in the second year of the third level graduate scheme is going to talk about his experience on the scheme How how he found it and how he found moving on to that second year Which is probably going to apply to a lot of you here So I see some familiar faces for those of you who don’t know me i’m Colum I’m, the international student advisor here at at UCD. So I’m based in UCD international. Once upon a time. I worked in the immigration office, though Not on the front desk I was in the family reunification unit that’s god that’s a decade ago at this point now, but I do have experience of other immigration matters and and the way in which Maybe the department thinks a little bit anyway So this whole early graduate scheme the Stamp 1G. So what what is it? so it’s a stay back option right that the department introduced and It is Available to anyone who graduates on what’s called level level eight level nine or level ten on the national framework for cut for qualifications and you can see that there so that’s degrees masters and PhDs That that’s from a larger piece. If you’re not familiar with the national framework for qualifications and under the the scheme anyone who graduates with an undergraduate degree from UCD or the other universities can get the Third level graduate program for 12 months and for postgraduate students Which we now know most of you are it’s up to 24 months, but that is subject to renewal after 12 months So I’ll talk a little bit about that renewal process as well. So The evolution this program was first introduced in 2007 Which was the year that the iPhone first came out and ratatouille was had just come out that year as well When the pool when it was first introduced I remember you you got You got six months and you you didn’t get stamp Ong. You got stamp two so it was impossible to tell who was a student and who was a graduate and we would have employers constantly contacting us trying to see If they if we could tell them if a student was a graduate or if there were a current student So we have come a long way since then then it was amended initially in 2011 which is when we got the first proper student immigration guidelines in Ireland So our proper immigration guidelines around students are not even a decade old. We’re a country That was really really good at exporting people and it’s only new to importing people. So we’re still learning about it It’s still a work in process. It’s not perfect As frustrating as you may find it, it’s come a long way and I’m going to talk about that and then last year was when it was Changed to the two year stay back option for postgraduate students So that was one of the big big changes and that relates to this here So what are your for anyone who’s on the scheme? What are your entitlements? Well, the main one is that you can work full-time You can work 40 or 40 hours a week. And for that first year in particular. There are no limitations on What you work on the category that you work in or on your salary levels, so it doesn’t matter what what you’re being paid okay for that first year and then when your permission Under the scheme under the stamp Ong is going to an end. Then you have a number of different options You can re-enter the education system at a higher level. So for the undergraduates that would mean going on to do a master’s For my for a master’s students that would mean going on to do a PhD PhDs are going to have to look at doing postdocs and probably getting on to a hosting Agreement at that point or the other option obviously is work permits So, what are the how do you qualify what are the what are the things that that you need? And we get this quite a bit. So you have to be notified in writing That you you have received your award. This is the the wording that’s used in the document so the big point and prior to this I suppose is is that you don’t actually have your Graduation ceremony doesn’t have to have taken place. Okay, you have to have Gotten your for your results. Okay, you have to gotten to a point where? you there’s no there’s no possibility that you may have to go back and repeat an exam or a module or make corrections to of your PhD thesis if that’s what you’re writing, so We get sometimes with PhD students. Are there any anyone doing PhD here today? well one of the things with PhD students is sometimes in relation to Their can be that period what you’re waiting for your vibe. And then after you arrive you may have to do corrections So it’s when you’ve been notified that you have achieved the award so whether that be a degree whether that be Your masters or whether that be your PhD, you do not have to have gone through your graduation ceremony You do not have to have been given your actual parchment Okay So that’s important to know because sometimes you might get your results and there might be months and months before your actual graduation ceremony takes place The other important thing is that you need to hold a stamp too. Okay, so that’s really really important because sometimes People can leave the country and they go out and they’re stamped to expires And when they come back into the country if they’re not visa required they get a stamp at the airport and they get a tourist stuff and that makes it Not impossible to move on to the third level graduate scheme. So it’s really really important that you ensure that your Your your stamp to is up to date now. There has been progress on that And it will continue some of you hopefully if your mastery students were given 15 months When you registered last year, I know some people were given 12 I know some people are given 13, but hopefully some people were given the 15 months and that will continue I was just introduced last year And it was something that Innes are keen to continue it so this year hopefully everyone when they’re register will get that 15 months at their initial registration for masters because most master’s students don’t get their results until October Sometimes November and sometimes it can stretch out a little bit But holding stamp to that is key. Okay, so you have to ensure that you’re on stamp two We’ve also seen some instances where companies have looked to get graduates to move on to an Internship stump that’s not going to work either. You’re not going to get the third level graduate scheme from the internship stump So you need to ensure that you’re on stamp – if you want to move on to the third level graduate scheme, okay The other thing is that you you need to Be under the the seven year limit seven and eight year limits are kind of interchangeable, but you can’t have been studying for You know Seven years and then move on to the scheme okay, I don’t think what probably most of you should be okay on that and then if you So anyone who’s the undergraduates who are out there? You can get the one year of the scheme You can go back into education. You can do a masters and then you can get another year Okay, so that’s important for you to know but you can’t you can’t access the Scheme on on more than two occasions you find it nearly impossible to do that in time limits anyway But it’s not something that you can do okay, so the Thing about the you have your results you’ve made your appointment to go and To the Berkey office. So what you need to bring with you? Well, it’s very similar to what you would have brought to your initial registration or two renewals for any of you who are undergrads or who’ve gone to the office more than once so statement for the results Found a passport the email the other thing is you’re going to need Insurance and that’s something I’ll talk a little bit more about because it’s a question that comes up So you’re going to need insurance to show to the immigration officers? So one of the things is that a lot of people are probably on the O’Driscoll o’neill insurance Oh Driscoll O’Neal has no change its name to study and protect study and protect provide Graduate health insurance for a hundred and fifty URL for the year Okay, you need to contact them directly, but they provide Graduate health insurance for the year obviously for you No, it’s your choice as to what health insurance policy you want Some people are gonna want you know If you’re if you’re really looking to put down roots in Ireland it may make sense for you to have Vhi Irish life or laya, that’s those are obviously all acceptable but study and protect is an option for you Should you? Want in just a policy that covers you and that meets your immigration requirements Okay, so for those of you who are on the scheme and who are looking to renew for a further 12 months This is this is where it gets a little bit trickier Okay because you can see that you have to to satisfy you the immigration offers that efforts have been made to Access the grant and graduate level employment Okay actively seeking is the key term here and sure you talk a little bit more about this because You can be you can be in a job But the product I think you hunt you still have to show that you’re actively seeking and work work That will lead to an employment permit If you go to the immigration office, and you’re just in the job Then you might meet an immigration officer who says oh boy. Isn’t that job offering you an employment permit? So you’re going to have to show that you are actively searching that you’re moving towards an employment permit so that can be things like Signing up to Employment agencies signing up to websites, you know monster various other Job sites to show that you are looking for you can remain in your job But you have to show that you’re moving towards its unemployment permits you if you’ve been to immigration, you’ll know that The it varies it really varies dependent upon Which immigration officer you meet on any particular day and what mood that immigration officer is in on that day Yeah, everyone’s had that experience Yes In in the Day the policy and I want to do is at the a at the end I stand out everyone who registered will get two documents you need to get a two pager from me and you’ll also get get the the actual policy and What they say in the the policy they don’t define it Which is something we that we see very often with immigration at times and the people it’s tough I i’ve real sympathy for there’s some great people on the ground in in Berkey, who are Doing their best and we’ll talk a little bit more about numbers in a while But they say that the immigration authorities Were not strictly applying the lists or thresholds themselves will have regard to the highly skilled occupations list the ineligible occupations list an employment permit and critical skills employment permits, so That’s what they’re going to look at. Okay, they’re going to look at does it relate to your Field of study as such or is it very general? So things like general admin, they don’t they don’t tend to like that. It tends to be skilled work that they’re looking for So it’s difficult for me to say exactly But that’s what they they pay attention to but the actively seeking is is the important part Okay, and sure you talk about his experience. It can be actively working towards higher education Alright, so she will talk about it, but it can be working towards moving on to a ph.d program Yes Yeah, I mean if you have so it will depend I suppose or not with the It’s difficult to say it’s always gonna be judged on a case-by-case basis but you need to be able that answer the question or Hawaii, isn’t your Employer giving you a work permit now and if there’s an answer that I if your employer if maybe you’ve just stacked with your employer Only there a couple of months but your employer are gonna give you a letter that will say, you know If the if this this person, you know demonstrates ability Then we may be in a position to offer an employment permit. That would be proof for them It’s about demonstrating that you’re moving forward, but it’s all gonna be on a case-by-case basis. I wish it was clearer I wish it was more black boy. It’s not But it’s about demonstrating to them that you know, you’re you’re looking to to progress with immigration It’s a bit like the in terms of academics. They’re always looking for progressions. They worry about when when you’re not progressing So if they see you just just not not making the effort. That’s when they’re going to ask an awful lot of questions. Yeah Yeah, I mean I’m gonna what I’ve done is so hopefully today’s session will run for about an hour I’ve the room booked for another hour afterwards. I’m gonna stay around so if anyone has specific questions individual cases I’m happy to meet afterwards. But really the important thing I think to get across to the group is that it’s about actively seeking It’s about reassuring the immigration officer that you meet that you are moving towards The graduate level employment Okay, that’s that’s really what it comes down to in terms of of renewing and sure you will be able to talk to his experience Okay, I wanted to talk a little bit about because I’m sure you’ve all you’ve all had to use the the online appointment system at some point, okay and Having worked in the area for for more than a decade and my colleague Colin who’s here? We can probably talk to this as well It used to be a case where people had to queue up Overnight to get an appointment at Berkey and that was really I was not a nice experience for students Okay, we had students who are harassed. We had students who were threatened. We had students who had things stolen from them so the online appointment system is progress I mean, you know We the queues are gone that photo the one beside of where there’s no queue actually took that myself I went down the day that the the new scheme had come in I was full of hope that this was going to be the end of queues It has pushed the queue online but I talked a little bit about why that is so when you bought Ideally, this is what you’d see you’d see lots of appointments and you’d get your confirmation Instead I presume lots of you have seen this. Yes. This is the spinning wheel of death on your Apple Mac This is stubbing your Atoll in the dark. It is super super frustrating right you see this again and again All I can say to you if you see these, okay? screenshot every attempt you make okay, the we you know You’re not alone in finding this and the more evidence we can show to Berkey that you know People are trying they’re constantly going on and this is what they’re facing the better case They have to get more resources because one of the issue they’re facing is resources as well Okay and if if we can demonstrate to them that people are going on time and time again and facing this issue then hopefully they’ll be given adequate resources to to solve it and You can see there some somebody wasn’t too pleased about it and decided to take their frustrations out But that’s really not going to solve anything So I want to talk about Hawaii. What is the system? Why is it so hard to get an appointment? Okay, and that number there? 128,000 that is the number of people in Ireland with an immigration requirement Okay, eighty percent of those people have to go to Berkey to register Okay, so you’re talking about a hundred thousand people going to Berkey to register? But not that number at the end of the 320 That’s the number of appointments per key that when they were operating at maximum capacity That’s the number of people they can see in a day at maximum capacity So that is why it’s so difficult to get an appointment the people on the ground there they’re as frustrated with it as As many of us they understand it put it’s a policy change that needs to happen and we are working towards things like that They’re constantly talks going on. I’ll talk a little bit about that 23 thousand one hundred twenty seven. That is the number of students with an immigration requirement in Universities and four eight nine eight. That’s the number of international students wait and immigration requirement here in UCD That’s who I sent those emails To some of you should have received an email from me last week Reminding you to start looking to book appointments or to start thinking about it So you can you get a sense then of the the numbers and you know that many people are going to warn building One one office down on Berkey. So we need policy change. It’s going to take time, but hopefully by understanding Where they’re coming from employee, it’s happening. It might might take the edge of the frustration I get it and we will continue to lobby We will continue to work on your behalf to try to change the system, but for right now It’s definitely going to be a struggle to get appointments For this this coming semester So there are a number of things you can do Maybe you know about these already some of you have probably heard about these or received emails from me if you have an Android phone Or an iPhone there are apps you can use there is the gni be bar page on facebook Again you can email me and I will let you know about all of these but these are things that can help you still have To go online, but what they do is they notify you when appointments are made available Okay, so they they mean that you have to spend less time and the appointments are made available generally at 10:00 or 2:30. Okay, so you want to get online around that time may try and get online Maybe five minutes beforehand have your information ready to go and then try? But if you hungry see you got an appointment by 10 past 10:00 or by 2:40 walk away Otherwise, they’re going to drive yourself crazy hitting f5 to refresh constantly. Okay walk away go back the next day There’s just no point they’re not going to continually release them if Cancellations come about these are apps that can help because you get a notification to your phone Now you’re all going to get notifications your phone. So everyone’s gonna try and book that cancellation So you’re gonna end up with the spinning wheel of death screen force, you know Eventually you will and it is something we’re working on So that’s what I want to talk to. You can see the figures there You can see the jump right one year, you know we Joe we jump six hundred people and that’s gonna jump again this year Okay, so numbers are only going up that 128 thousand people. That’s only going up at the moment And and and brexit is gonna push that number up higher. So what’s happening? well Shannon from India new Thailand is here and He’s been doing a lot of work and I’ve been working with him. He met with Senator, Neela, Redmond Today he met with the minister Richard Bruton a couple of days ago he has been making the government aware of what’s going on about the delays of both the difficulty in getting Appointments so we are raising it I met recently with the Ireland India Business Association. They are lobbying. They are helping to make government aware of it the are you a witch and Lucy in here during global week just a few weeks ago and The aiwei are doing a lot of lobbying as well and they will be working with are you back and with the different government departments? because there are different departments involved in this you have justice you have education and you’ve Business and enterprise so they are doing a lot of lobbying They’re doing a lot of Education work and they’re going to be doing a big education piece and in September there’s gonna be a big event where they’re going to invite you back various companies and different heads of department in So there are things taking taking place We’re also a member of I cast which is the representative body for International students in Ireland and I cos I gain are lobbying. So there’s a and there are different kind of what I called high level groups sub groups within the policy frameworks and I cos sits on those. So we Lobby true icons the are you a sit on another circle. We love each other I you a honor So it’s constantly Being done and we are looking and hopefully we will see changes. It’s not gonna happen overnight. It is a slow process But it will have seen change when I as I said 2007 six months and stamp to but the time employers have figured out that you were eligible for employment for full time You’re six months are up and you no recourse to anything that changed in 2011 I have changed again in 2017 so we have seen changes The online appointment system is progress the fact that there are now two Options for re-entry visas that you can use the registered mail system, so we will keep lobbying I will keep loving from multi-year formations all of that sort of stuff, but it’s going to Take time and then What we’ll do so Sure, he’s going to come up and talk about his experience. And then after that we’ll open up the floor to questions And then after that we’ll finish and then I’ll take personal personal questions or individual cases Okay, so I lecture you talk to his experience. Thanks a lot called him Good afternoon, everyone. My name is sherry butts people in the International office know me as Sri, I Came to UCD in 2015 to study wildlife conservation and management and I graduated in February 2016. That’s why I am eligible for this scheme otherwise I would I was not for like the two year scheme And my experience with the whole Berkey office has been a rollercoaster ride I have been in that queue at 4 a.m. In the morning. Trust me. It’s It’s not the best it’s really it was a really bad situation like you come to Dublin first thing and then you have to register yourself get your G NIV card stamp 2 The you are standing there 4:00 a.m. In the morning wasn’t the best experience But then eventually it grew really well online system came in at 2000 in 2016 and It’s it’s been a really great experience after that So the first year of Story level graduate scheme you so you’re entitled to get that one year of work permit visa and that you’re looking for jobs. So If you’re if you’re applying for the first year, it’s you just have to take a results go to work ii office You won’t have any problem. No questions asked they’ll give you your first 1g the for the first year and For the second year now, this is where it becomes really tricky because they say and for the second year you have to be You have to show them a lot of documents. They literally verify each and every document If you are like for example in my case So I’m at the moment. I’m working with the international office. And also I am a research assistant to one of the professors I’m working with angle in giraffes in Africa and Namibia and Phoenix Park followed years, so I’m looking forward to a PhD Probably starting this September or probably in January So I have a reason to actually extend my visa for another year. So what I did was I Like I doing that time I had a lot of conversation with column one was new at that time And I literally met him really often. I troubled them a lot and You need to show or proof that is really important They really verify each and every document and probably I might have been the first to get the second in UCD maybe maybe not not sure but column I was first four columns and So yes, I had a letter from a professor stating that I am gonna be doing a PhD a Possible PhD in September or January? There was an official letter, so Dave but then I have heard some cases where like students have gone to Berkey office and they they just went directly just taking some letters and They were ejected for their second year. They say that they they need more proof. So please don’t do that mistake if You are looking into any kind of jobs It could be so it could be just like interview letters Anything it has to be reactive if you are applying for nearly 20 jobs a month You might get like interview calls for at least five of them. Take those interview letters. Those are really important That’s what they’re looking for They’re looking for looking for something that you’re actively looking at if you have something like a research or a PhD So take a letter from the University from your professor officially signed and stamped that would get your second year visa extension and Yeah, well for me was really easy but I’ve heard some really bad cases where like they have been rejected they had to go back home and Yeah, I wouldn’t want that to happen for anyone So if anyone says anything, please don’t believe that just make sure you have all the documentation in place Back to you column that force my experience Okay, so Some Sri said I I moved across TCD from a small boutique College in center town called Trinity so some of you in January, but I was working a similar role We are that’s that’s the main information I want to get across but questions anyone has yes Okay, there’s there’s a couple of things if you’re if you’re an immigration work if you’re a master student and currently you have Permission only until maybe the end of September or the end of October There are a number of different things you can do. You can go to the the Berkey office be over the summer and They will give you an extension on What out charge will give you an extension until December the end of December? Okay, you take your certificate of attendance that shows you’re a master student and they will give you that extension until December They only introduced that 15:1 policy last September and unfortunately A lot of people on the desks were not aware of it So they only gave students until the end of September or the end of October. So they’re going to give that 15 months You had you have to you have to make an appointment for that, but they’re – they’re cancellations the So that that’s that’s the that’s the that’s the best option the other option would be if you to get an appointment right when the When your results come out if you can get one on the 26th That’s gonna be really difficult. Yes No, no I I said you if you if you are a master student and you only got 12 or 13 months Then you can get the additional ones. They’ll put a stamp in your passport They won’t charge you for that or they haven’t been charging students for that everything in Irish immigration law Is that discretion of immigration officer, but you don’t have to pay for the extension they charge you when you change your stamp? Okay, so you can extend that there is no charge for the 300 Guys, what a time? Know if you’re if you’re renewing Your your your renewing? initially until December and then moving on that that’s that period will will cover it will cover you if What you are quite that lonely take you till October the following year So your your current medical insurance expires? In August, so you need to get it. So it’s only going to take you until August You’re not going to move on to the one G stamp until October at the earliest So in August of 2019 you’re going to have to get medical insurance again And at that point you’d have to get the graduate insurance from study and protect for if you renew in August this year that we’ll call it that will cover you for until August 2019 Okay Yes, yeah So You you need to judge you need to bring your certificate of attendance to get the Yeti the to bring it until December Bring your certificate of attendance that shows your master student Yep, exactly as long as it shows that they have a better understanding of it now and so it comes down to That you need to be a master student, okay So once you have that and you have your insurance, you’ve already demonstrated proof of finances So you don’t you shouldn’t you shouldn’t require that again? You have to bring proof insurance as well yes insure insurance and the certificate attendance that’s going to be the big piece there Yes You would have to take along with those you would have to take a letter from the From the school or Department saying that you were no longer master student than that you were instead accepting Higher diploma So you need you need the two in conjunction with you with each other? Yeah, but you put as long as it’s level nine, then you can move on to it Yes
But you need to for the school to say that you are taking the higher diploma and not the masters because it you had originally registered for the masters Here and then Mm-hmm I Don’t I don’t foresee because you’re changing Stan that should not be a problem on this occasion You’re not simply renewing you’re changing stuff Yes Guys hang on. We’ve got a question here Yes No, just one just one year after that just one year after your master’s yeah. All right Yeah, you brought you again you printed in the same way You print out a certificate of attendance when youwhen you get your final results There’s a you can go on to the same system and print out a statement to final results. Yes Yes