Teachers Sounding The Alarm Over ‘Room Clear’ Method | NBC Nightly News November 16, 2019 100 By Stanley Isaacs CategoryArticles BlogTagsbreaking news business classroom meltdown classrooms torn apart current events desk distress health Lester Holt meltdown NBC News nbc news full nbc news lester holt NBC Nightly News nbc nightly news episode NBC Nightly News with Lester H Nightly News nightly news full politics pop culture Room Clear room clearing students students destroying classrooms students in distress teachers issues teahcers top stories U.S. News us news world news 100 Comments Hephaestus says: October 14, 2019 at 7:35 pm "Discipline" has become a dirty word, and its ruining all children. Reply Matthew Myers says: October 14, 2019 at 7:49 pm So a child is allowed to tear apart a classroom and cause all kinds of destruction…but God forbid if a teacher lays a hand on that child to stop them, or when I was going to school, spank their much needed butt. Reply Eman Mar says: October 14, 2019 at 8:37 pm I bet the kid still has his iPad after stabbing another student and I heard taking the iPad away was the equivalent to a butt whooping now a days. Reply Chris Overton says: October 14, 2019 at 9:56 pm I am an educator, have been for 27 years. What we need is more money for smaller class size. The children are being raised in front of screens. Parents are the kids "friends' not their parents. The first words I often hear is that they didn't do that at home. Of course not, they got what they wanted at home. This particular child is autistic. He doesn't need a beating. He needs a special needs class. Our special education programs are deficient and need more funding. Some kids need one to one learning, but schools can't afford that. Keep voting for Republicans, and I am sorry if this offends you, but DeVoss is part of the problem of big cuts in the federal programs. In TX, we spend millions on testing instead of teaching and learning. High stakes testing instead of dealing with behavior problems that are growing in our society. Look how the adults are behaving. Are you really surprised the kids are acting any different? Reply mindless monk says: October 14, 2019 at 10:44 pm Obviously mental health is a concern. Reply Mayra Rebecca Zamora says: October 14, 2019 at 10:56 pm As a mom with a kid with autism, he has a one on one for the safety of himself and others. Restraints, when used appropriately, can help but so can other resources. Physical restraints became controversial, and rightly so, because they weren't used the way they were supposed to and mostly targeted students of color. Teacher unions prohibit requiring teachers take mandatory training for things such as this. It is voluntary. This former teacher didn't get the support she needed in the classroom and all of the students, including the disruptive student, isn't getting the help and support that they need. It also forgot to mention that most of this support would be provided through special education, that was supposed to have been funded by the federal government, but was never fully funded and left the states holding the bag, hence the lack of mental health resources and supports in schools. It's a complex issue that doesn't look like it will be resolved soon. Reply Reilly Taha says: October 14, 2019 at 11:50 pm Me: middle schoolers are soharsh The video: “and how old are these kids?” “Umm seven” Me: WAIT WTF Reply Max says: October 15, 2019 at 12:00 am "Anger is a communication method"….uh no. It SHOULDN'T be. Sure, it can be. But you can't teach children that it should be and reward them for communicating that way. Room clearing is a direct reward for them behaving badly…. Reply mritachi15 says: October 15, 2019 at 12:47 am back in the day a ruler or a good spanking did the job with no problem this pc culture is just ruining the world Reply 007 says: October 15, 2019 at 1:08 am When she 7 my face went 😑 they way she saying I’m thinking they are 17. Reply Zoe Følstad says: October 15, 2019 at 1:16 am These kids need help, not these terrible methods. The kids that come to me are looking for trust and acceptance, and clearing out an entire room is not the way to gain trust. It tells them that you don't care what they do and tells them that they are allowed to continue this behavior because you will just clear it for them to do whatever they want. In some adult cases I've had, methods like these further aggravate them, and many people have told me it made them feel like outcasts and monsters. This isn't productive, it's destructive. I understand the politics involved, and all the issues public schools face in terms of funding cuts and therapist cuts, but the government must find a better way. Kids with mental illnesses are not a hinderance to our society, and we need to stop treating them like they are. Reply Hard-Ass Bull says: October 15, 2019 at 1:32 am He stabbed his teacher with a pencil, yet he's a 'good kid'? No, Mom, he's disturbed and has been let go.Bring back corporal punishment. #Paddle Reply Humor & Pain says: October 15, 2019 at 1:36 am I'm sure black students would have the police called on them and they would take the student out forcefully. The mother didn't seen to be bother by her son behavior. Reply victoria b says: October 15, 2019 at 1:43 am I remember doing this as a kid when I was 6-7. Wouldn't happen that often but when it did, it was by the same kid. He would grab anything and throw it across the room, like books and pencils and the class would wait outside the classroom. Reply Socorro Cibrian says: October 15, 2019 at 1:51 am WTF THISE KIDS PARENTS HAVE FAILED AS A PARENT AND PARENTS SHOULD PAY FINES FOR THAT TYPE OF BEHAVIOR !!!!! Reply S DeFelice says: October 15, 2019 at 2:27 am What's wrong with room clears? It's meant to ensure the safety of the other students so they don't get thrown into the fire Reply B Sadi says: October 15, 2019 at 3:25 am It's a matter of shifting responsibilities, there needs to be a balance. There has been a spike of restrictions on schools and teachers with these new gens of soft parents who could threaten your career if you talk loudly at their child. So, youve unchained your children and restricted their handlers, no. You have to punish them yourself and raise them with firm hands at home. Its all fine with yall as long as the kids arent stabbing yall or wrecking your homes, eh? Reply B Sadi says: October 15, 2019 at 3:26 am Best solution: cameras in classes and fine the parents, like someone suggested below. Call the parents, email, and mail them about the fine , set a date to meet with the 'accuser' , they should have video evidence, and the rest is settled. You're up for some miserable surprises by taking away any sense of social responsibility from them from such an early age. Reply Preston Estes says: October 15, 2019 at 5:44 am I see several problems with the “room clear method”. What happens if the child hurts themselves because no one is in there to prevent it or stop themselves. Then that injury is on the school. I do see room clear in keeping the other kids safe though, that’s the only thing I can give it credit on but there still needs to be a better way. Starting with parents taking responsibility for their kids and actually punishing them for doing wrong rather than saying it’s all alright, because it’s not. Reply Åsa S says: October 15, 2019 at 7:06 am Find the kids dad. Have him sit with his out of control kid during class. Reply Peter Nguyen says: October 15, 2019 at 1:56 pm "More Training, more mental health specialists" No, parents need to be more involved in their childrens' lives rather than using school as a 'daycare' Reply OhhGlam92 says: October 15, 2019 at 3:41 pm WHO are these kids' parents????? Reply OhhGlam92 says: October 15, 2019 at 3:44 pm The room clear just gives them power. They need to be knocked down a few pegs. Both mental health inquiries and put the fear of God in them. (Meaning respect of your authority figures) Reply mohammed jama says: October 15, 2019 at 4:09 pm A 7 years old did that wtf.. if he behaves like this at this very young ages, I wonder what’s going to happen when he grows up?? And his mom looks like she is proud or laughing about it like dafqqq! Smh.. Reply Raven says: October 15, 2019 at 4:36 pm When the child with any sort of special needs does something like that.. so it’s the parents fault? Of course those of us who have children with a special need want our children to socialize with other children because it is important. But once that child does something violent then everyone else goes and blames the parents and say they need to keep their kid at home. And that’s not fair to that child ether who needs the help, schooling just as much as the other kids. Reply Courtney Cherry says: October 15, 2019 at 5:09 pm Why not expel the brat Reply Amy Mackey says: October 15, 2019 at 6:20 pm Cast out those demons. Reply Dorcas FLorence Maseko says: October 15, 2019 at 6:40 pm Results of removing corporal punishment Reply Mark Denler says: October 15, 2019 at 8:29 pm Majority of Americans are unfit to procreate because of deep narcsicism that society has created. No one wants to take responsibility for anyone's bad behavior. Reply Josh Boucher says: October 15, 2019 at 8:46 pm Parents stopped being parents…. No discipline… "Oh i wanna let my child grow up and express himself/herself" Reply Wilfredo A Nunez Pacheco says: October 15, 2019 at 9:56 pm I think this is the first time I agree with all the comments. Reply Naughtysauce says: October 15, 2019 at 10:51 pm I will vote for my kids teachers to be able to smack them around if they disrespect an adult because that's exactly what I would do at home. Reply Peanuts MOM says: October 15, 2019 at 11:07 pm i was waiting for her to say 17 not 7 😣 Reply Stephanie Wayman says: October 15, 2019 at 11:22 pm You all talk big talk for people who probably don't have to deal with kids who have special needs like that. My son has cleared a room before. Wanna know why? Because he wouldnt leave for a cool down so they had to get the other kids out to get him out. He didnt destroy the classroom. He just needed to get out. And you know what? I am just like that mom! My son went to a special school for 3 YEARS before he went main stream! He repeated kindergarten to be ready for mainstream! And i am constantly thinking of ways to get him to do better in class. I dont just sit in a corner and think "well it must be the teacher because my sweet little angel would never do anything wrong!" No you idiots. I hold him accountable for his actions. But guess what? Tje consequences that work for you and me dont work for other kids! And so to the people who say "have the parents pay" or "the parents aren't punishing them enough" to that I say you are so close minded if you think we are all like that. We are trying and sometimes we get stumped. Reply Aragorn Arathorn says: October 15, 2019 at 11:33 pm The solution is expelling the effers! Reply Celestehelloo C says: October 15, 2019 at 11:33 pm Fine the parents Reply nonia biznezz says: October 16, 2019 at 1:53 am Why doesn't the school resource officer just pick him up and thow him across the room?!💁♂️ Reply STFUALMS says: October 16, 2019 at 4:17 am This is what happens when society caters to those that whine the loudest. Discipline your children, learn to say "no," and for god sakes quit filling their heads with that everyone is a winner BS. Without the life lessons of hard work, failure, and success these kids grow up thinking that they are entitled to the perks that come with greatness. It also breeds a society of quitters as they are unaccustomed to the tribulations that come with working to achieve a goal. Reply Clayton Caldwell says: October 16, 2019 at 4:31 am Quit bringing an intellectual, progressive approach to this. Dont put up with this crap. Handle the situation, use physical restraint. Reply Jennifer Asplund says: October 16, 2019 at 8:03 am In my school a kid started acting out (psychially) and my teachers held him until he calmed down despite the kid yelling "let me go" the teachers got in no trouble and the kid was under control everyone could safely resume studying i'm in Finland what's going on in U.S.A?!?(English is not my first language) Reply Johnathan Williams says: October 16, 2019 at 9:30 am Sounds about white. Reply Black Toof says: October 16, 2019 at 12:08 pm Bring the paddle back. Reply Adriana Marie says: October 16, 2019 at 12:58 pm Hit your kids. Reply Carol Howard says: October 16, 2019 at 2:01 pm When I was a kid, the principle was allowed to spank the bad kid. But back in the 70’s, we rarely had a bad kid. And we certainly didn’t have kids that destroyed property. And if they did, there would be consequences at school and at home ! Reply Carol Howard says: October 16, 2019 at 2:02 pm Kids act up because parents don’t spank anymore. They give “time outs”. Give me a break !!! Some of these kids need a good old fashioned hand to the backside !!!! Reply Anderson Gillette says: October 16, 2019 at 2:36 pm Nah. If I were a teacher and had that kind of students, I would pummel them with a wooden table. Reply Kat 3 says: October 16, 2019 at 3:42 pm You so called parents out there that lets your kid do this kinda thing should be jailed , are thiese the kinda people you want running our country ? This is our future? This will be the down fall of our country , Reply ImmaPandaRawr says: October 16, 2019 at 5:23 pm This is why I quit teaching. Education in United States is a joke. Reply Bill P says: October 16, 2019 at 6:17 pm If someone has to do this to get over whatever it is they need to get over. They dont belong among others Reply Dashie19 says: October 16, 2019 at 6:27 pm I have worked at an elementary school for one year in this after school program. At first I didn’t think it would be too difficult however, as days passed i never felt so anxious to end the day. My students had the modern iPhone x’s at age 8….. EIGHT and even apple watches at times. I could tell how stressed my coworkers were due to the abundance of kids they will have to send to our manager daily. I quit my job as soon as I could….. I will say this though. There were some special ones that I come to care for. Reply Jerry DWan says: October 16, 2019 at 6:37 pm Student Misbehavior Solution. American School : Room Clear MethodAsian School : Expelled From School On The Spot Method Reply Lost Aquarian says: October 16, 2019 at 6:54 pm Idiots! Our government, all workd governments use corporal punishment on unruly citizens. Train children to understand this. Reply albert apodaca says: October 16, 2019 at 11:04 pm This is what our society and the soft parenting produces. Kids have no structure at home and youtube cat videos teach kids what life values matter. Reply JOSHUA NOYOLA says: October 17, 2019 at 5:47 am Am so happy am done with school too many bullies and mean teacher.going to school cause me depression anxiety and low self-esteem and phobia to other people hate being near other people.life feels good when your done seen the same faces who make your life miserable.anyone who's going to start high school.just stay away from other people socialize only with your classmate and observe how your environment affect you and how others behave around you.the number one rule is never argue with your teacher because you will always lose even if your right.always be good even if your alone.and dont be friends with bad students because who you hangout with described who you are.in the eyes of others Reply Alisha Francis says: October 17, 2019 at 11:52 am I'd make that childs pare ts clean up the room Reply Mona *4 says: October 17, 2019 at 12:26 pm Never heard of such concept…. A black parent kid whose does room clear will get a serious lashing by their parents. Discipline not acceptable practice = More room clear problems. Room Clear = Mass Shooters Reply Hound Keeper says: October 17, 2019 at 12:27 pm Some people are talking about the mom smiling I don’t think it’s a happy smile I think it’s those smiles when you try to make the best of a bad situation. I’ve worked in a special needs camp and younger kids have melt downs one week about three different windows were broken. It doesn’t always mean they are bad they just get over stimulated or something sets them off. The parent tries their best but if there aren’t enough mental health professionals available how can parents or teachers provide the right type of support if they don’t the cause of the children’s behavior. It could be as simple as smaller class sizes. Sometimes it’s not even bad parenting it’s just a matter of mental health. Maybe the kid was abused and has suppressed rage it’s not their fault they need counseling. That’s what mental health services are for sometimes things aren’t that simple. Teachers worries and fear are fair too she is unequipped to deal with such behavior. And frankly I think it’s fair to not like someone trying to stab her with a pencil but this isn’t a kid acting out because of misbehavior. This is a kid who has special needs that aren’t being accommodated. Reply KerriNature says: October 17, 2019 at 12:53 pm Schools are now our unbalanced all age daycares a this point. All children are put together by age and good luck. I hated school, the teachers singled me out all the time for not being able to sit still, to understand instructions, to not wander. Learning disabilities weren't considnered back then so no one cared that I couldn't read a clock in grade 6 and that numbers switched in my head.. Already bullied and their solution was to stick my decks against the blackboard so everyone and everything was behind my back. Family followed their example by making me an example when I finally got home… Now I can't go out in public, I can't have people walk behind me, I'm over 40 now and it's still going on. Reply Unique King says: October 17, 2019 at 1:25 pm That Ain't Gonna Happen In Public Schools On Indianapolis They Have IMPD and crazy her son can stab the teacher but a 6 year old black girl was charged with battery for playing dodgeball. Reply Chau Nguyen says: October 17, 2019 at 1:46 pm Child disciplines is not child abuse… Reply ᴅᴇᴀʀ ᴍʀ. ɪꜱᴀɪᴀʜ ᴅᴇʀɪɴɢᴇʀ; says: October 17, 2019 at 1:51 pm USA in 2019 as long as you are under 18 they clear the room for you to totally wreck it. Become 18 and heckle at a public event and get immediately tasered 🤷♂️ I see a problem there. Reply Siena May says: October 18, 2019 at 3:23 am Omg parents need to seriously man up and teach their kids manners. Like wtf u can’t be babying ur child and letting them do whatever they want just cuz they’re ur child . Reply Norma Black9.1.5 says: October 18, 2019 at 5:53 am It's all Hillary Clinton's fault. Lol white people are stupid Reply Bill Pool says: October 18, 2019 at 9:33 am We don't have money for that! We have to spend our tax dollars propping up the presidents failing hotels!!! Reply Phlegethon says: October 18, 2019 at 6:06 pm Yea kids at some of these American schools are garbage. Reply chroma says: October 18, 2019 at 7:25 pm This is what happens when you don't invest in the foundation of your civilization. This is what happens when you let corruption destroy the government. This is what happens when you let inequity grow to intolerable levels. This is what happens when you replace public healthcare with predatory for-profit medicine. This is what happens when you let wrongful war debt impose austerity upon society. You create dystopia. Reply Love, laugh, protect says: October 18, 2019 at 10:49 pm Bet they are all black. Reply Big Ben says: October 19, 2019 at 4:10 am What happened to whoopings? Reply Elso says: October 19, 2019 at 5:43 am I can't imagine how else you deal with an extreme situation like that. The fact that a child has a meltdown that threatens the safety of other students, and the teacher is indicative of an issue that has already occured. A child with the propensity to act out in that manner should not be in a general population classroom to begin with. Class sizes are already too big across the country, giving teachers less time to give every child the attention they need. Meltdowns like that do not come out of nowhere and they are almost always preventable. This isn't about parents thinking their kids are angels or that they need to be punished. Every child, regardless of their mental health situation deserves access to public education. When schools do not have the necessary resources and policies in place to meet the needs of students with behavioural disorders it affects the education of all students, not just the ones causing the issue. Reply 2006glg says: October 19, 2019 at 2:43 pm Wow, so much has changed in two decades. So everyone else has to leave the room now? That's setting a precedent for a troubled kid they will learn to expect into adulthood – that the rest of society will make room and way for their BS. And our f'd up society will get even worse. Americans don't want to pay teachers a living wage or pay taxes for better schools everywhere but expect educators to wholly raise their brats and burgeoning juvenile defendants. This is why I discouraged my niece from going to college for a teaching degree. I am glad she listened. Reply Bella Rayne says: October 19, 2019 at 6:17 pm Its simple, every school should have a 'dim room' where students can go to have their freak out. Reply Voloko Umphetico says: October 20, 2019 at 9:37 am They used to have straps in classrooms for a reason. Reply Mymy Lastname says: October 20, 2019 at 2:45 pm I once hear a mom say raising her child is "easy". She said, "I just put him in front of the t.v." No. Ppl want to have teachers raise their kids for them & teach them EVERYTHING, but as soon as a teacher gives any negative feedback—-they want to fight the teacher!!! Reply RealFishy says: October 20, 2019 at 4:54 pm That mom didnt even seem like she cared that her child stabbed a teacher. How said is that. My mom is a teacher and she says all the time that it's the parents fault and clearly it is she, she was laughing and showed no remorse…. just plain sad. Reply Evelyn Bonner says: October 20, 2019 at 11:43 pm As a recently retired teacher, I can verify that this situation is VERY common. It isn't about crowded classrooms, lack of money, more mental health professionals, etc.etc. Its about making parents responsible for their own kids, and reinstating that old fashioned idea that school is a place to learn. I don't mean to sound hard hearted, but if a kid can't maintain behavior that allows everybody in the room to learn, that kid needs an intervention by the parent. Not the teacher, not the school counselor, not the school districts who often hire a one on one person to spend all day with a child to "keep him/her under control." The number of students with severe behavioural issues is staggering. I'll leave you to form an opinion as to why. Reply Weather Geek says: October 21, 2019 at 12:24 am Well thenUm I don’t think this is a good strategy Reply Beachgirl127 says: October 21, 2019 at 1:42 pm When I was in private elementary school we’d get the ruler across our hands if we acted out. Shocking result: we learned respect and discipline. Something sorely lacking in public schools. Reply Ant**** Perez says: October 21, 2019 at 2:32 pm And we wonder why countries like China and Japan are ahead in education. Reply diane sturlin says: October 21, 2019 at 4:14 pm This is a perfect example of why "spare the rod, spoil the child" was written into existence. These kids today are so concerned with everybody respecting their safe space that they don't even realize they have invaded every other humans safe space with their demands. Oh and also one of the main reasons this is so prevalent in our education system is because children are now raising children. I live in North Texas and if you haven't had your first child by your sophomore year in high school you are an outcast…SMH!!! Reply Crazy Driver says: October 21, 2019 at 7:07 pm Bring back the leather strap. Reply Funny Man says: October 21, 2019 at 9:01 pm Future antifa members! Reply Crunchy Birth Vibes says: October 21, 2019 at 10:29 pm And people think parents who homeschool are the crazy ones???? Mmmmkay. Reply Maximillian Veinhardt says: October 22, 2019 at 10:47 pm CUE THE ENTITLED BREEDERS Reply pipy snipy Ag4 says: October 23, 2019 at 6:27 am Their parents look exactly what you think they'd look like Reply Chris Lambert says: October 23, 2019 at 1:56 pm Walmart sells belts for $10 Reply Sorzin says: October 24, 2019 at 4:51 pm This has special-ed written all over it. Reply Dawn Price says: October 25, 2019 at 8:49 pm In many districts across the country, the teachers are blamed for the kids acting out. They are told they set the student off, the plan was not followed or enough data was not collected. It is creating a hostile working environment for teachers, PTSD, and amazing teachers to leave the profession. Reply Salviati Galilei says: October 25, 2019 at 11:36 pm Well he's just an excitable boy….https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4-pexSVWzM Reply Aaron says: October 26, 2019 at 2:32 am The politicians have allowed this in hopes the parents of the other children choose a charter school. There is a manufactured crisis at the expense of our children and hard working professionals. DC and state governments are infested with rodents. Reply 1sporty174 says: October 26, 2019 at 4:17 am ‘Good kids’ don’t stab people with anything. Reply Jamie Voelker says: October 27, 2019 at 3:28 am As an educator who has been punched, hit, and kicked by students, the laws created by politicians limit the consequences that can be administered. We also know that kids are not born with these learned behaviors. They develop them based on a number of factors: mental health conditions, disabilities, trauma, and many other factors. Parents need to be an active participant in their children's education and discipline. Educators need to be paid more, provided more resources, provided more training, and mental health counselors should provide therapy for all students experiencing trauma. Reply Nichole Bird says: October 27, 2019 at 2:21 pm Honestly this is one of the many,many reasons we brought our kids home. They school through an online charter school. Reply Roa Ross Cabrera says: October 27, 2019 at 4:04 pm If this continues, America will be in great danger 20 years from now. 🙁 Reply KSMaxiefan01 says: October 27, 2019 at 8:55 pm I would understand the room clear method if the kid had behavioral issue such as autism but if a kid is deliberately acting violent and hurting the teacher and the classroom over and over again they need to be removed from the school Reply Elder Zamora says: October 27, 2019 at 9:50 pm Parents tolerate their disturbed kids. Reply Mary Kay Watkins says: October 28, 2019 at 2:36 pm We used to have a policy that when a student was disruptive and not responsive to direction we would buzz the office, the office would announce a "code" that sent ALL staff available to the classroom. Staff would surround the student and escort them out so the teacher could continue to teach and the students were not completely disrupted. This worked well. It is not used anymore. A room being destroyed like that is expensive. The money could be used better. Reply biffDipstick says: October 29, 2019 at 5:11 pm "Les, the education experts I spoke with said the solution is smaller class sizes, more teacher training, more mental health specialists, but of course, Lester, all of that costs money." Whatever education "experts" she spoke with are not experts if they do not bring up anything about the child being disciplined at home. Typical liberal response to a social behavioral problem: throw more of other people's money at it. None of the things the "experts" told her addresses the core root of the problem–the child's behavior. They put the onus of responsibility upon the educators and remove it from the parents. Sick, twisted logic (or not logic at all). Reply Soul Glow says: October 31, 2019 at 2:10 am in other areas they have school resource officers dragging students out and arresting 6 year olds. a kid yanked a teacher by a whistle lanyard, body check her and stab her with a pencil and all her students get is a trashed classroom. Iowa, you're handling students (children) the right way. Other districts should take notice. oh… and let's challenge our elected officials bc this reduction in education funding is NOT working for us. Kids have greater pressures than past generations and we cant deal with those realities with less money than we had for past generations. Reply 351528 says: October 31, 2019 at 2:51 pm Is it just me or are these incidents on the rise? I grew up in Canada in the 70's and 80's and this sort of thing was unheard of, sure kids acted up but nothing like this. Now I'm hearing more and more teachers sharing stories of how violent and threatening kids are becoming in the classroom. I had a co-worker who left the profession because she found herself dealing more with behavioral problems than teaching. Is this mainly a North American thing? I'd love to hear from educators from around the world to get their perspective on things. Reply Tyrone biggums says: November 10, 2019 at 4:32 am What do you want us to do with your special flower? Reply Leave a Reply Cancel reply Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment.