Progressives worry about the strength of the 2020 Democratic field

Progressives worry about the strength of the 2020 Democratic field

August 13, 2019 100 By Stanley Isaacs


SHANNON?>>Shannon: THANKS, KRISTIN. THANK YOU. LIVE AT THE WHITE HOUSE. SO THE STRONGER THAN EXPECTED SHOWING AT THE PRESIDENT’S FUND RAISER INSPIED OF THE CONDEMNATION OF CONSERVATIVES MAY LOOK LIKE THE UNEASE. VICTOR DAVIS HANSON PUTS IT TONIGHT IN AN OP-ED, HE SAID ALL REFLECT A LACK OF PROGRESSIVE CONFIDENCE THAT THEY CAN VOTE TRUMP OUT OF OFFICE IN THE NEXT ELECTION AND INSTEAD SEEK TO USE EXTRAORDINARY MEANS TO ABORT HIS PRESIDENCY. JOINING ME NOW,DAY BROWN AND DINESH D’SOUZA. AND WE SAW THESE COMMENTS FROM DONNIE DEUTSCHE. HERE’S WHAT HE HAD TO SAY.>>YOU CAN’T SAY, WELL, I LIKE HIS ECONOMIC POLICY AND WHATNOT. BUT I DISAGREE — YOU OWN IT. YOU OWN THE BLOOD. YOU OWN CHARLOTTESVILLE. THAT’S WHAT SWING VOTERS HAVE GOT TO UNDERSTAND AND BE SHAMED INTO.>>DINESH, YOUR REACTION.>>AMERICAN POLITICS IS ENTERING A DANGEROUS PHASE THAT I HAVEN’T SEEN IN MY ADULT LIFETIME. IT’S A PHASE IN WHICH DISCUSSION AND DEBATE IS REPLACED WITH THREATS AND INTIMIDATION. THOSE CAN EXKA LAT THOSE CAN EX K LAT THOSE CAN EX KA AT THOSE CAN EX KA LAI THOSE CAN EXKAA LAI THOSE CAN EXKA LLAI THOSE CAN EXKA LATI THOSE CAN EXKA LATE — ESCALATE QUICKLY. WE’VE SEEN IT IN EUROPE WHERE IT TURNS INTO BLOWS AND FIGHTS IN THE STREETS. I’M WORRIED ABOUT WHERE OUR POLITICS IS GOING. THIS IS A CASE WHERE WHEN ONE SIDE STARTS, THE OTHER SIDE HAS TO RESPOND. THE TRUMPSTERS WON’T TAKE THIS LYING DOWN. SOON THEY’LL RELEASE JOAQUIN’S FAMILY ADDRESSES. THIS IS A GAME THAT TWO PEOPLE CAN PLAY.>>Shannon: DO YOU WORRY THAT THE DEMOCRATS FACE BACKLASH? THEY’RE PLAYING WITH FIRE HERE. I THINK OF HILLARY CLINTON TALKING ABOUT THE BASKET OF DEPLORABLES. PEOPLE STARTED TO SAY LISTEN, YOU’VE COMPLETELY DISRESPECTED ME. WHY WOULD I THINK ABOUT VOTING FOR YOU. NOW WE HAVE PEOPLE SAYING IF YOU VOTE FOR THE PRESIDENT, YOU’RE A WHITE SUPREMACIST. ARE YOU GOING TO ALIENATE HALF THE COUNTRY?>>YEAH, I REJECT THAT PREMISE. IF YOU LOOK AT 2018, WHEN DEMOCRATS TOOK BACK THE HOUSE, THEY DID THAT BY WINNING IN PERSUADING HEARTS AND MINDS AND FOLKS THAT VOTED FOR THE PRESIDENT IN 2016. SO THERE’S A PROVEN PATH HERE WHERE IF YOU MAKE THE BEST ARGUMENT AND YOU COME AT IT FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF YOUR VALUES AND WHAT I STAND FOR AS A CANDIDATE — AND I AGREE WITH DINESH. DEBATE IS THE HEALTHY WAY TO GO. BUT DEMOCRATS CAN WIN ON THE MERITS.>>Shannon: BUT CALLING PEOPLE WHITE SUPREMACIST, IS THAT DEBATING THINGS ON THE MERITS OR IS THAT GOING TO HAVE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE SAYING LISTEN, I’M NOTHING CLOSE TO THAT. NOW THAT YOU LABELLED ME THAT WAY, I WON’T LISTEN TO ANYTHING ELSE YOU SAY?>>THAT’S DIRECTED AT ME. I’M SORRY, DINESH.>>I WAS SAYING WE’VE HAD TWO MASS SHOOTINGS. IN ONE CASE, THERE WAS A GUY THAT WAS ANTI-IMMIGRANT A WHITE SUPREMACIST. THAT WAS PART OF HIS MOTIVE. HE WAS PROGRESSIVE ON OTHER ISSUES. WHITE SUPREMACIST WAS PART OF THE MIX. THE OTHER ONE WOULD VOTE FOR ELIZABETH WARREN AND PRO ANTIFA. BUT WE HEAR VERY LITTLE ABOUT THAT SHOOTER. THERE’S A BROADER FORCE AT WORK HERE AND WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE ANTIFA HAS PRODUCED ITS FIRST MASS KILLER.>>PART OF THE DISTINCTION AND THE COVERAGE, THE KILLER IN TEXAS PUBLISHED A MANIFESTO. WE HAVE THE WRITTEN BODY OF WORK FROM WHICH WE CAN EXAMINE MOTIVATION.>>Shannon: PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW AS WELL. I DON’T KNOW IF THEY HAVE TAKEN TIME — A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY I WON’T READ A WORD. I GET THAT BUT HE’S WORRIED ABOUT CORPORATE PROFITS AND NOT RIGHT LEANING ISSUES. CLEARLY HE HAD AN ISSUE WITH RACE. THERE WAS OTHER STUFF THAT HAS TO BE CONSIDERED IF YOU READ IT.>>I’LL GO BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION. THE NOTION OF PAINTING IN BROAD STROKES ANYBODY THAT VOTED FOR THE PRESIDENT IS A WHITE SUPREMACIST, OF COURSE NOT. IT’S RIDICULOUS. THE NUANCE IS LOST HERE. LET’S HAVE IT NOW. THE POINT IS THAT WHEN YOU SPEAK IN RED RICK AND WHEN THE PRESIDENT SPEAKS IN RHETORIC THAT IS RACIALIZED AND WHITE SUPREMACISTS SAYING WE IDENTIFY WITH THIS PRESIDENT, HE’S SPEAKING ON OUR BEHALF, THAT’S THE PROBLEM. I’M GLAD TO SEE THE PRESIDENT OUTRIGHT CONDEMNED THAT FOLLOWING THE SHOOTINGS. WE HAVE A WAYS TO GO IN TONING DOWN THAT RHETORIC AND MAKING IT CLEAR THAT WHITE SUPREMACISTS HAVE NO PLACE IN THIS COUNTRY AT LARGE.>>Shannon: FINALLY TO YOU, DINESH.>>I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT THIS SO-CALLED RACIALIZED RHETORIC THAT YOU’RE ACCUSING TRUMP OF USING RELIES ON CONFLATING A COUPLE OF DISTINCTIONS. FIRST OF ALL, CONFLATING THE DISSTING — DISTINCTION OF IMMIGRANTS. I’M A LEGAL IMMIGRANT. INFESTATION WAS THE TERM ELIJAH CUMMINGS USED ABOUT HIS OWN DISTRICT. INFESTATION REFERS TO A STATE OF THINGS, WHEN THINGS ARE SO BAD. YOU THINK THAT TRUMP WOULD HESITATE TO CALL SAN FRANCISCO NANCY PELOSI’S DISTRICT, FOR EXAMPLE, INFESTED WITH THE SAME KIND OF TERRIBLE SCHOOLS AND SAME KIND OF TRASH –>>Shannon: LET’S LET DINESH FINISH AND WE HAVE TO GO.>>WELL, THE POINT I’M TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT TRUMP’S ATTACKS ARE POLITICAL. THEY’RE NOT RACIAL. HE ATTACKS WITH THE SAME GLEE OF PEOPLE THAT ARE WHITE OR BLACK OR WHATEVER. THERE’S A CERTAIN KIND OF PROMISCUITY IN TRUMP.