Ohio governor proposes ‘personal protection’ law after Dayton shooting

Ohio governor proposes ‘personal protection’ law after Dayton shooting

August 14, 2019 0 By Stanley Isaacs


>>CALLING ON REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR MIKE DEWINE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT GUN VIOLENCE, JOINING US IN COLUMBUS, OHIO, HOME STATE, GOVERNOR DEWINE IN EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.>>THANK YOU, BILL.>>LET’S SEE HOW MUCH WE CAN MOVE IN THE NEXT 7 MINUTES OR SO, YOU HAVE BEEN AGGRESSIVE FOR DECADES, PART OF THE PROPOSAL DEALS WITH RED FLAG LAWS, I WANT TO PLAY FOR YOU AND AUDIENCE INTERVIEW WITH THE EX-GIRLFRIEND OF KILLER IN OHIO, LISTEN TO WHAT SHE SAID.>>I WASN’T ENTIRELY SURPRISED THAT HE DID SOMETHING BAD, THAT HE ENDED UP, I JUST DIDN’T THINK IT WOULD BE FOR THIS.>>I’M USING HER COMMENTS AS AN EXAMPLE, BASED ON WHAT YOU’RE PROPOSING HOW WOULD YOU TAKE THAT COMMENT, GET JUDGE’S ORDER AND TAKE THE KILLER’S GUN AWAY BEFORE HE STRIKES, GOVERNOR?>>WE DON’T CALL RED FLAG ORDER, WHAT WE CALL IT PERSONAL PROTECTION ORDER, AND WE USE THAT TERM BECAUSE IT HAS BUILT INTO IT CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTION, YOU CAN’T TAKE SOMEONE’S GUN UNLESS THERE’S A JUDGE THAT MAKES THAT DETERMINATION. BUT WHAT OUR LAW WOULD SAY IS IF SOMEONE IS A THREAT TO THEMSELVES OR A THREAT TO OTHERS, THEN YOU CAN GO INTO COURT, THE FAMILY CAN, USUALLY THE FAMILY THAT REPORTS IT OR THE POLICE CAN GO IN AND I KNOW, BILL, THERE’S BEEN A LOT OF EMPHASIS ON MENTAL HEALTH, BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT 93% OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SEVERE MENTAL PROBLEM ARE NOT VIOLENT AT ALL. IN SOME CASES, IT’LL BE A MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE BUT OUR LAW WOULD ALSO SAY SOMEONE WHO HAS A PROPENSITY FOR VIOLENCE, FOR EXAMPLE, SOMEONE WHO IS A CHRONIC ALCOHOLIC, SO THERE’S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT COULD TRIGGER IT, THE COURT WOULD HAVE TO DETERMINE THAT PERSON IS A –>>ON THAT POINT –>>WOULDN’T MAKE A DIFFERENCE.>>I WANT TO GET BACK TO MENTAL HEALTH IN A MOMENT, YOUR STATE HOUSE IS RUN BY REPUBLICANS, YOU KNOW WHAT THEY ARGUMENTS ARE, THEY ARGUE IDEAS ARE OPEN ABUSE, LACK OF DUE PROCESS ESPECIALLY WHAT WAS LAYED OUT RIGHT THERE, YOU MAKE PEOPLE GUILTY BEFORE INNOCENT, HOW DO YOU PREVENT THAT?>>YOU PREVENT IT BILL BY THE WAY WE’VE WRITTEN THE LAW, THE PREVIOUS GOVERNOR TRIED WHAT THEY CALLED A RED FLAG LAW, IT DID NOT HAVE THE PROCEDURE, DID NOT HAVE THE DUE PROCESS, WE DEVELOPED THIS PARTICULAR BILL IN CONSULTATION WITH A NUMBER OF SECOND-AMENDMENT FRIENDS, THEY HAVE ALWAYS TOLD ME, LET ME KNOW SOME PEOPLE THAT WE NEED TO SEPARATE THEM FROM THEIR GUNS TEMPORARILY OR MAYBE LONGER THAN THAT BUT WE ARE REALLY WORRIED ABOUT DUE PROCESS, WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT A NEIGHBOR GETTING MAD AT NEIGHBOR AND THE POLICE GO CONFISCATE THE GUN, WE PUT THIS TOGETHER WITH THEM, IT HAS DUE PROCESS, YOU HAVE TO GO TO COURT AND THE JUDGE HAS TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION.>>MANY SUGGESTIONS CENTER ON MENTAL HEALTH AND THEY FOCUS ON THAT, ONE OF THE IDEAS TO FREE UP SPACE IN PSYCHIATRIC HOSPITALS. AS A COUNTRY WE HAVE MOVED AWAY FROM THAT, DO YOU THINK THIS WAS A MISTAKE?>>WELL, WE ARE NOT GOING TO TURN BACK THE CLOCK, BILL, I DON’T KNOW WHETHER WE SHOULD OR NOT BUT WE HAVE TO BE REALISTIC, ABOUT THIS, WE HAVE A PROBLEM, I DON’T KNOW IF IT’S UNIQUE TO OHIO OR NOT, ON OUR STATE ON PSYCHIATRIC HOSPITALS, THEY ARE TAKING UP PRIMARILY BY PEOPLE WHO ARE CHARGED WITH MISDEMEANORS, PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT VIOLENT AND THEY ARE SENT BY COURT ORDER TO PSYCHIATRIC HOSPITALS TO ACTUALLY TEACH THEM HOW TO TALK AND LISTEN TO THEIR OWN DEFENSE LAWYER, OUR PROPOSAL SAYS, LOOK, LET’S DON’T CLOG OUR PSYCHIATRIC HOSPITALS WITH THIS, LET’S GET PEOPLE IN THERE WHO NEED THE HELP AND DENIED THE ABILITY TO GO IN NOW AND LET’S — LET’S DO THIS TEACHING OF — OF THESE INDIVIDUALS, OF COURSE, LET’S DO THIS IN THE COMMUNITY, WE CAN DO IT THAT WAY, OUR PROPOSAL WOULD OPEN PSYCHIATRIC HOSPITALS UP TO THE PEOPLE WHO REALLY NEED IT.>>I PICKED TWO EXAMPLES AND HONESTLY I COULD PICK A DOZEN, PARKLAND, FLORIDA 2018, 17 DEAD, KILLER DESCRIBED AS WALKING RED FLAG, NO ACTION TAKEN, SOUTHERLAND SPRINGS, TEXAS, 2017, 26 DEAD, THE KILLER HAD CRIMINAL RECORD THERE, RECORD WAS NOT UPDATED, BOUGHT A GUN, AIR FORCE TOOK RESPONSIBILITY AFTER THE FACT. ONE CASE INVOLVES A RED FLAG AND ANOTHER INVOLVES HUMAN ERROR, YOUR STATE WENT FROM DONALD TRUMP BY 8 POINTS AND HE TALKED THIS WEEK ABOUT MAKING MEANINGFUL BACKGROUND CHECKS, HE SAID THAT REPEATEDLY. WELL, THE KILLER IN DAYTON, OHIO PASSED A BACKGROUND CHECK, HE STILL MURDERED 9 PEOPLE, SO GOVERNOR, WHAT ARE WE UP AGAINST?>>WELL, BILL, I DON’T THINK THAT WE CAN LOOK AT EVERY CASE AND SAY, OKAY, WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO FOR THIS CASE, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL OF THEM TOGETHER JUST AS YOU DID. WE HAVE TO DO A BETTER — WE HAVE TO DO BETTER IN REACHING PEOPLE AT VERY, VERY YOUNG AGE. WE HAVE AND THE BUDGET THAT WAS JUST PASSED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, I CAN CONGRATULATE THEM FOR GIVING US THE MONEY THAT WE NEED, WE HAVE THE ABILITY NOW TO ARM OUR SCHOOLS, GIVE OUR SCHOOLS THE ABILITY TO HAVE BETTER COUNSELING, MORE MENTAL HEALTH, VIRTUALLY EVERY ONE OF THE CASES AS YOU SAID SOMEBODY HAS LOOKED UP LONG TIME AGO AND SAID, HEY, THIS GUY IS GIVING ALL THE SIGNS AND SOCIAL BEHAVIOR, THIS GUY IS A MENACE AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING, THE SCHOOLS NEED TO TOOLS, WE ARE NOW GIVING THEM THE TOOLS TO DO THAT, WE ARE ALSO DOING SOMETHING ELSE, WE WILL BE MONITORING AND MONITORING SOCIAL MEDIA TO PICK UP, PICK UP THESE THINGS WHEN WE SEE KEYWORDS THAT INDICATE THAT PERSON IS SIMPLY GOING TO BE A MENACE AND MAY EVENTUALLY, YOU KNOW, COMMIT THIS VIOLENCE.>>LAST POINT HERE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LAWS AND GUNS, IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS TEXAS, THEY PASSED SEVERAL LAWS RELATED TO GUN VIOLENCE, MOST OF THEM DEALT WITH SCHOOLS AND SCHOOL SAFETY, NOT WOULD HAVE PREVENTED KILLER IN EL PASO FROM OWNING A GUN, IS THIS ABOUT LAWS OR IS IT ABOUT GUNS?>>IT’S ABOUT A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS, PEOPLE SPEAKING UP, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WILL DO AFTER WE GET THE LEGISLATION PASSED AND I BELIEVE WE WILL GET IT PASSED IS WE ARE GOING TO BROADCAST THIS INFORMATION, LOOK, IF YOU SEE A PROBLEM, SPEAK UP. GET SOME HELP TO THE INDIVIDUAL, NOTIFY THE POLICE, NOTIFY THE MENTAL HEALTH PEOPLE OR WHOEVER NEED TO BE NOTIFIED, SPEAK UP. IN THE CASE OF THE GUY IN OHIO THAT COMMITTED ATROCITIES IN DAYTON THERE WERE WARNINGS LONG TIME AGO THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN HEEDED, WE HAVE PROVISIONS IN OUR BUDGET TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE, LOOK, I CAN’T GUARANTY WHAT WE PROPOSE WILL ELIMINATE EVERY MASS SHOOTING, BUT WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT EVERY ONE OF OUR PROPOSALS WE CAN GET BIPARTISAN SUPPORT, DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS, WE NEED TO BRING OHIO TOGETHER, WE ARE DOING THAT AND WE CAN GET THESE THINGS PASSED AND THEY WILL EACH ONE OF THEM SAVE LIVES.